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Posted 08/15/2018   7:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If I understand it right, a typical Cinderella is a stamp added to a postal stamp, sometimes without value, like Christmas greetings or anti-tuberculosis campaign.
There were other foreign stamps in Italy, like "GOVERNO MILITARE ALLEATO". Can it be that the Polish stamps were not accepted due to some money issue, or not being approved by UPU?
The only difference, to the best of my knowledge, between Nazi occupation stamps and Isis stamps, is that Isis was not accepted by UPU, even if they are using those stamps for mail in the Isis occupied areas.
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Posted 08/15/2018   10:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add YeaPolska to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are Displaced Persons Camp "stamps", rather than Polish 2nd Corps Army stamps & nothing to do with the Polish Exiled Government in Great Britain.

I'm away for the day but more info when I get back
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Posted 08/16/2018   06:25 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The meanng of "Cinderella" is elastic. The fiscal/revenue stamps beloved of US collectors are often referred to as Cinderellas in auctions here.
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Posted 08/16/2018   2:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Our club's coverage, just to define our cynosure.

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Posted 08/18/2018   03:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add YeaPolska to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to Rob for posting those two articles from Linns. The second one is more acurate in relation to the "stamps" than the first, but there are some serious innacuracies in the first article re the Polish army.

A large contingent of the Polish army did not retreat into Russia after the German invasion of Poland, rather, they were captured by the Soviets when they in turn invaded Poald from the east on 17 Sept. 1939. These soldiers & officers were imprisoned in POW camps.

The Polish army did not stay intact. About 8,000 of its officers were murdered (along with about 14,000 others} in the Katyn forest & other places in the Soviet Union in April and May 1940.

Once Germany invaded the Soviet Union, the Poles were now allies & Stalin let those who wanted to, leave & eventually form the Polish II Corps under the command of Lieutenant General Wladyslaw Anders. They passed through Palestine, Egypt & into Italy as part of the British Eighth Army, where they distinguished themselves at the battle of Monte Cassino. Two veterans of this campaign were members of the Polish Philatelic Society in Melbourne when I lived there & they kept me quite poor with their philatelic wares.

In July 1945 the II Corps opened up two Displaced Persons camps in Barletta & Trani for the Poles who found themselves in Italy, these included POWs, forced labourers etc. There doesn't seem to be any evidence as to exactly who came up with the idea for the labels but a directive by the II Corps dated 27 X 1945 gave permission for the issuance of charity labels. 50% of the proceeds were to go to the "War Relief Services - National Catholic Welfare Conference", 35% to the local population around Barletta & Trani, & 15% to widows & orphans of members of the Polish II Corps.

Regular mail for occupants of the DP camps was free & the II Corps used the Polish Filed Post # 120 (registration charges did incur a fee), but the philatelists in the camps & the Corps had a field day with producing cancelled covers & cards. The Italian Post Office in a directive published 18 III 1946 expressly forbade the use of these labels to pay postage.

First issue: 1946 13 Feb. 200,000 sets. Face value 19 lira, set sold for 70 lira


Second issue: 1946 28 Feb. Air. 85,000 perf & 8000 imperf



Third issue: 1946 10 April. Additional vaues. 1,000,000 sets. Face value 2L 35c, set sold for 10 lira.




Fourth issue: 1946 19 April. Souvenir sheets, 5,000 each value




There is also a proof of a souvenir sheet which is quite scarce.


These are all that are listed in the Polish catalogues. Also mentioned are 5 values privately overprinted "HONOR THE FOUR FREEDOMS" in Polish, English & French, together with a signiature of President Roosevelt.




Not listed in any Polish catalogues are 5 values overprinted for airmail, one Polish auction site lists these as proofs.



References
Filatelista periodical. No 8, 15 April 1959. Warsaw
Polskie Znaki Pocztowe, Vol 4, Warsaw 1966
Katalog Specializowany Znakow Pocztowych Ziem Polskich 1990, Warsaw
History of the Polish Army Postal Service - Middle East & Italy 1940-48, Ryszard Wagner, Caldra House, GB 1992
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Edited by YeaPolska - 08/18/2018 05:11 am
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Posted 08/18/2018   08:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Great treatment YeaPolska,
Well done you.
Are you able to explain the significance to the Polish people of the Black Madonna, shown on the stamps please? Any relevance to the issues? to the time?


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Posted 08/18/2018   11:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great post YeaPolska! Had never seen some of this material before.
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Posted 08/18/2018   11:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add YeaPolska to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Black Madonna of Czestochowa is an icon of the Virgin Mary housed at the Jasna Gora Monastery in Czestochowa, Poland. Dating back at least 600 years, the icon is instantly recognised by all Poles & would have been a potent symbol of what the Poles were fighting for. The Black Madonna has been shown on several Polish & Vatican stamps.

Here is the set & block from 1982 commemorating the 600th anniv of the presence of the icon at Czestochowa.




I suggest checking out Wiki for a very comprehensive article.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black...4%99stochowa
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Posted 08/18/2018   1:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice display of material YEA POLSKA ........but disagree with your terms, it was not a DISPLACE PEOPLE camp in Italy the correct term was Polish citizens in Italy ,who were there with the Polish II Corps .
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Netherlands
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Posted 08/18/2018   5:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Galeoptix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
At least one statement in the 2nd article of Lana that refers to where the "stamps" were orinted is WRONG:



Most have the name of the printing house written underneath!
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Posted 08/19/2018   11:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Robroy, you make want to look at the SCF threads discussing "Sovereign Military Order of Malta". The stamps of this group really "blur the line" between postage stamps and Cinderellas.
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Edited by bookbndrbob - 08/19/2018 11:38 am
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Posted 08/20/2018   09:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
We have a clear misunderstanding of the term DISPLACED PERSON . The term is being used incorrectly and has been for many years . Those Polish people in Italy were exiles who fled as their country collapsed under the German and Russian Forces . They followed the Polish II Corps .

Most of those who were called DISPLACED PERSONS were actually SLAVES from Slavic areas of Europe taken to work for the NAZIS economy .
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Posted 08/27/2018   02:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bran0719 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorting through my "surcharge and overprint" stamps and found these beautes!

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Posted 09/02/2018   08:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Glad to say I've learned more then I expected.
Seems like definitions are not very clear, so, just for myself, I'll define Cinderellas as non-postage stamps, like Christmas greeting and adds, and together with revenue and post due and taxes and such, will call them all BOB.
Again, just for me, a postage stamp is not what UPU defines as such, but any stamp that was successfully used to pass mail. Reluctantly I'll include the stamps that were sold only as CTOs, like Manama, and unissued stamps. My only exception to this is that guy from Sweden that made stamp-like stamps and fooled the Swedish postal authorities to accept them as stamps.
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