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Does Anyone Know What Kind Of Paper This Stamp Is Made From, Or Why This Is So Transparent ?

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Posted 08/28/2018   10:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Dan Townsend to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi everyone again it was a nice discussion about the grilled stamp I found very grateful.
Thanks again
Here's another head scratch er,I also bought another stamp on ebay in this lot there was this stamp.
It was a typical one except the back was a little weird you can almost see the front image on the back.
If you have any idea's let me know it could be nothing but I thought
it was something .Its a r18c in Scott's cat



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Posted 08/29/2018   02:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add raymodj to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The plate was over inked, so shows through other side more. See all the ink in the margins.

Makes it easier to see the layout lines in the corners and any possible plate scratches.
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Posted 08/29/2018   07:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is known in the catalog as "old paper". It's very thin but clearly shows some mesh, so it was probably not used before about 1865. It was from a fairly new plate which was not wiped quite clean, and there might be a touch of offset from being stacked up while wet.
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Posted 08/29/2018   11:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the info!
Is this what they call printed on both sides? I don't think it looks like it ,but looks like the ink just got saturated.
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Posted 08/29/2018   12:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No, it's not printed on both sides. If it was, both sides would show normally; here one side is reversed.
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Posted 08/29/2018   12:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I want to get this right the classification for this stamp is r18ce if its old paper or painted on both sides right, it doesn't matter if its both or one or the other ?
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Posted 08/29/2018   4:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I also have another question how do you tell if you have a stamp that is made with old paper.
I have a few stamps that are similar but no bleeding threw.
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Posted 08/29/2018   7:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sideshowbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp you posted is an R18c. The e designation is for a double impression which is a completely different beast. An example of a stamp printed on both sides is shown below:




In the case of this stamp, the image on the back of the stamp is actually inverted when compared to the image on the front.
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Posted 08/29/2018   8:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In my scotts catalog it mentions the painted back plus a old paper so what is it Im asking it is ether one or both as a r18ca check out your catalog if you have one.
I can show you a picture of what it shows.
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Posted 08/29/2018   8:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
R18ce is shown on this webpage of James Drummond. It will show you what the double impression looks like.

https://revenue-collector.com/doubleimpressions/

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Posted 08/29/2018   8:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sideshowbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dan,

The stamp can't be R18ca. The a indicator is for an imperforate stamp (yours has perforations). The b indicator is for a part-perf stamp (2 opposite sides are imperf) which yours is not. c is for perforated stamps (yours is perforated). d is for silk paper but yours isn't silk paper. Letters coming after d alphabetically are typically for very specialized conditions like double impressions or printed on both sides.
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Posted 08/29/2018   8:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add sideshowbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi rogdcam,

The link you posted isn't Jim Drummond's website, it belongs to revenuecollector. It does show some great double impressions though!
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Posted 08/29/2018   9:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Bob. James was on my mind. LOL
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Posted 08/29/2018   9:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add James Drummond to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ewwww...



Jim
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Posted 08/29/2018   9:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If you guys think its old paper then it should be r18e I said r18a , I was wrong so what is it?
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