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Procedure For Getting Hand Canceled Covers From The USPS

 
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Posted 09/01/2018   6:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I am sure this has been asked 1000 times before if not more but I'll ask again.

I would like to obtain hand canceled covers from different post offices but am unsure how to get started.

For example, I'd like to obtain a Corbin, Kentucky hand cancel. What I don't know is if I mail a cover addressed to the PostMaster there and include a brief note asking for a hand cancel on an enclosed cover if he/she would provide one?

Any advice or suggestions?

-MV
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Posted 09/01/2018   6:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ggreve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That would be nice if mailing an enclosed cover works, but I am not sure.

In my small town the postal workers are great. If asked they hand cancel any letter.

I have also heard that busy post offices will not do any hand cancels. Others here probably have more experience.
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Posted 09/01/2018   6:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From the Postal Operations Manual:

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Rules for Collector Cancellations
231.3 Cooperation With Collectors

231.31 Postmarks
Employees should strive to furnish clear and legible postmarks to stamp collectors by ensuring that cancellation machines and hand-stamp devices are properly inked. Postal employees must give special attention to mail bearing an endorsement that it is of philatelic value or to requests for light cancellations, and they should avoid canceling stamps by pen or illegible smudging. However, stamps must be cancelled sufficiently to protect postal revenue.

231.32 Special Attention
The Postal Service cannot provide special attention to a philatelic cover that has been routinely entered into the mailstream by the sender.

231.33 Postmarking Devices
Postmarking devices may only be used under the supervision of authorized postal personnel.

231.34 Hand-Stamped Postmarks
All hand-stamped postmarks are made with black ink unless the customer specifically indicates a preference for another color.

231.35 Philatelic Covers
Employees should exercise care in handling all philatelic covers to ensure that they are not damaged in mail handling. These covers are generally identifiable by a design (cachet) on the left side of the envelope.

231.36 Defacing Philatelic Covers
Postal employees should ensure that philatelic covers are not over-cancelled, backstamped, marked "received this date", or otherwise defaced on front or back; used as a top piece in a bundle for destination-package labeling purposes; or bent, folded, mutilated, or damaged by rubber bands.

231.4 Hand-Back and Mail-Back Service
Postmarks rather than other obliterations should be used to provide the following services whenever they are available:
a. Hand-Back Service
(1) When a customer personally presents an addressed or unaddressed envelope, postal card, or other item described in 231.63 to a postal clerk for cancellation with the current day's postmark, the post office must postmark the item and return it, or hand it back, to the customer.
(2) The envelope, card, or other item does not enter the mailstream. All such materials must bear uncanceled postage at the applicable First-Class rate.
(3) This service may be provided for special die hub or regular machine cancellations only when the particular cancellation machine is readily accessible to the postal clerk, and only when providing such service does not interfere with other sales or mail processing operations and does not inconvenience other customers.
(4) The Last Day of Sale cancellation will be applied to customers' covers or other items with one of more of the stamps being removed from sale affixed on a hand-back basis only.

b. Mail-Back Service
Mail-back service refers to service for stamp dealers and cover servicers that is authorized by the PFSC and that permits envelopes, cards, or other items submitted for cancellation to be returned in bulk through the mail. Conditions of service are further described in 242. This form of mail-back service must be approved in writing and in advance by the PFSC. Mail-back service is not to be provided for special die hub or regular machine cancellations. Last Day of Sale covers submitted for servicing and return through the mailstream will not be entered into the mails until the date appearing on the cancellation.


Don
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Posted 09/02/2018   6:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Kimo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Post offices are not required to hand cancel envelopes you send to them to return to you, but if you ask politely and explain you are a collector who would like an example of their hand cancellation on one or two covers, in most cases they will oblige, especially in smaller post offices. If you send hundreds of covers for hand cancellation or if you send even just one or two to a post office that has to handle many thousands of pieces of mail every day and where they are unlikely to have the time to take out of their work to hand cancel then you need to understand their situation. I think that you will be successful in most all cases if you are really polite and respectful in your request and where you are only sending them one or two covers.
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Posted 09/02/2018   7:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My local post office let's me do my own cancels :)
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Posted 09/02/2018   7:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It gets expensive to do that for very many offices today. I know of a group of 4-5 collectors in the mid-1970s who wanted postmarks from every office in the US. They pooled together and mailed their covers together in one envelope to save costs in one direction. They got mixed results - some were hand cancels, some were machines. Quality varied too. Some were overcanceled at larger processing centers. They stopped before they got through all states, but they did do Kentucky. I have some of their covers from there, but Corbin is not among them. Send me a separate email with the towns you are looking for.
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Posted 09/04/2018   6:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Some were overcanceled at larger processing centers. They stopped before they got through all states, but they did do Kentucky. I have some of their covers from there, but Corbin is not among them. Send me a separate email with the towns you are looking for.


Corbin is the only town from Kentucky. I have ancestors with that last name and I wanted to try using some of these Forever stamps I've got on hand.

I'm just going to try sending my own cover with a note and see if it works. Best case scenario I get my cancel; worst case: returned to sender.

Thanks John Becker. If you happen to have any Missouri covers I'd take them off your hands.

-MV
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Posted 09/05/2018   10:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danstamps54 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
MV,


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What I don't know is if I mail a cover addressed to the PostMaster there and include a brief note asking for a hand cancel on an enclosed cover if he/she would provide one?


That's probably the best approach. Usually I enclose a stamped, self-addressed postal card to the postmaster with a brief note.

Sometimes you will get a generic spray cancel, other times you might get a hand cancel and a spray cancel and other times you will get a nice hand cancel with a note from the postmaster. It's a crap shoot. Generally the smaller the post office, the better chance you will get a good cancel.

If you are interested in postmark collecting, check out the Postmark Collectors Club. http://www.postmarks.org/

Dan


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Posted 09/13/2018   7:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MeadowviewCollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Good news folks!

I got a hand canceled cover with the Corbin, Kentucky postmark returned to me. I sent a SASE medium sized white greeting card envelope with enclosure sealed inside a slightly larger envelope with a brief note with my request and signed it.

Cost $1.00 in postage and only a few minutes of my time.

I will most likely send off for other hand cancels in the near future.

-MV

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