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How Did This Slip By The Cancel Machine...?

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Posted 09/07/2018   12:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From Prime Vision (http://www.primevision.com/#hp_innovation )

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Examples of our work include automated checking of mail streams for under stamped mail with our stamp recognition reading module. This includes a database that can be maintained for new stamps or indicia. Additional verification, for example of dimensional weight or volume has been integrated many times by Prime Vision into its automation platforms. Our experts can show real-world examples of these implementations and advise you on the best-fit hardware and software to meet your needs and comply with local certification and regulations.


Touted as 'revenue protection' they use OCR to detect mail which is short postage.

It would explain my antidotal observation that using vintage postage always seems to take longer to get processed. (The automated equipment kicks it out and has to be hand processed.) Perhaps also helps explain the 'marker monkeys' frequency with vintage postage?

I would also think that they would keep the database as efficient as possible by NOT loading decades of stamp design to be recognized.
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Posted 09/07/2018   12:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Prime Vision's technology may have those capabilities, but has it been implemented anywhere? If so, is anything actually happening to the underpaid mail? Are carriers increasing the frequency of ringing doorbells to collect a few extra pennies?
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Posted 09/07/2018   12:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Machaggis52 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don't know about you good folks, but at least 75% of the mail coming through the door isn't cancelled in any way.

Quite how that protects revenue eludes me.
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Posted 09/07/2018   12:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
They are owned (in part) by PostNL. Their customers include USPS, FedEx, DHL, and Australia Post, and Japan Post. I am searching for some Press Releases but cannot seem to find any at the moment.

Some more info...
https://www.postalandparceltechnolo...ss-rate.html


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" For one customer, Prime Vision achieved a 99% read rate and almost zero error rate based on a test deck of Dutch stamps."


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Posted 09/07/2018   12:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Along Machaggis52's line, I don't see any return on investment.
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Posted 09/07/2018   12:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree that the point is moot, first class mail is dead anyway. And stamps have already transitioned to 'profit centers' for many postal services; I think this is a death spiral for stamps. Issuing stamps for mostly collectors will not help the hobby in any way.
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Posted 09/07/2018   5:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The interesting point is that no matter how the USPS Stamp Services does (maybe good for exec compensation, metrics, travel) it will not make a meaningful impact to USPS finances.

Taking at $2 FV block of 4 stamps that cost a few pennies to produce and putting them in a plastic bag with a cardboard stiffener is not cost effective.
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Posted 09/07/2018   7:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have just pulled up some pages from the Canada Post site of definations at https://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/...sary-e.asp#T

Interesting as the info is dated June 18,2018.

It confirms that the OCR reads addresses and postal codes, it also says the tagging on stamps is used to make it positively identifiable to an automatic facer canceller. I do not have knowledge of which hardware and software Canada Post is using, and while software is available maybe Canada Post did not ask or pay for this feature. Still it does not explain why stamps from the later 70's up are not cancelled as they do have the tagging. Otherwise, why tag stamps as Gilles asks?

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Posted 09/07/2018   7:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Mike...I tried your link..To me it does not work buddy..

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Posted 09/07/2018   7:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Try it now Robert. Thanks for that. Appreciated.

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Posted 09/07/2018   7:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Much better Mike..

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Posted 09/07/2018   10:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
soak 'em, re-use 'em, serves 'em right!
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Posted 09/07/2018   10:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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soak 'em, re-use 'em, serves 'em right!


jamesw..Makes you wonder where the stamps come from when a dealer says "Mint, no gum"

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Posted 09/07/2018   10:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jamesw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
True wert. But if they were a real dealer, and had any knowledge, they'd know that if there ain't no gum, it ain't mint.
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Posted 09/08/2018   09:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can we get a little deeper into the "mint, no gum"..

a mint stamp is a stamp with a printed area on one side and gum on the reverse..correct..??

What about stamps in Canada printed by mistake on the gum side..We now have a mint stamp printed on one side BUT with NO gum on the back..Can we now classify this as "Mint, no gum"...?

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