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Mystery Stamp From German States

 
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Posted 11/09/2009   9:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add danko to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi there,

I found another stamp in my collection that puzzled me. Well, everything that is not in Scott's 6 volume catalog is puzzling me anyway, but this feels like a good one. It looks a lot like Prussian King Frederick Stamp A1, A2 design, but it has a different kind of face and reads Freimarre instead of Freimarke. If anyone could help me id this stamp, would help me a lot.
Thank you very much for all your effort.
Dan.


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Posted 11/09/2009   11:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nr-notrare to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi danko....


Looks like a fake/bogus/imitation of Prussia #9 (which is actually green) The profile is quite amateurish.
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Posted 11/09/2009   11:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, could be.

The only thing is, I got it in the album printed in late eighteen hundreds, and appears as it was assembled in that time or very early 19 hundreds. There wouldn't be much reason to fake a stamp, except for postal use maybe.
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Posted 11/10/2009   01:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MmmmBalf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
There wouldn't be much reason to fake a stamp, except for postal use maybe.


On the contrary, the 1800's were probably the most prevalent period of forging and faking of all. Counterfeiting for postal use began with the very first stamp, and the first stamp forgeries to fool collectors began around 1860. In fact a book was published on how to detect forged stamps in 1863, that's how common they were. It was almost in plague proportions by the late 1800's.

Many famous names of forgers are from this period - Jeffryes, Sarpy, Benjamin, S.Allen Taylor of Boston, the Spiro brothers of Hamburg, Friedl and Fournier to name a few. Probably the most famous of all was Sperati, but he was a little later, early 20th century. All of these famous forgeries were to fool collectors. Even by the 1860's rare stamps were worth thousands of dollars (or pounds.)

As to your particular stamp I can't help as it's not an area that I collect, but I would tend to agree that it does look amateurish, the lettering as well. It certainly looks like an early Prussian but with the 2nd last letter being R instead of K.

Balf
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Edited by MmmmBalf - 11/10/2009 07:28 am
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Posted 11/12/2009   8:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Balf,

Thank you very much for the very interesting information. It is amazing how much you guys know about stamps. Thanks a lot for the info to you and nr-notrare too.
I guess someone was horsing around back in 18 hundreds creating this stamp. I'll study it a little more, it looks like it has something on the back.

Thank a lot gentlemen.
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Posted 11/13/2009   04:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add MmmmBalf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've been trying to do a little research on your stamp, but so far I've drawn a blank. Still, it's always fun learning new things.
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Posted 11/13/2009   10:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok,
I took this guy out of the album. Soaked off a stamp size hinge, and this is what I got.



As you can see on the back it has these two lines. The paper it printed on is very thin but kind of soft and ... elastic I would say. It reminds me a lot of a post card. I do not know anything about postcards, was there any back then?
It is definitely not a postal stamp that goes on the envelope.

That all I can come up with.
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Edited by danko - 11/13/2009 10:40 pm
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Posted 11/13/2009   10:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just got an idea could it be a some kind of working draft of the Prussia #9 stamp? Aaaa.. not likely, right?
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