Jenny Forgery Gaining Traction

https://www.ebay.com/itm/VERY-RARE-...AOSws~pb46Jb

People are nuts. This isn't even inkjet quality.

Site states "Seller does not accept returns". Gotta love it.

The cellphone images have poor focus and are highly compressed/artifacted, so I wouldn't necessarily draw qualitative conclusions from them. What is this item supposed to be, exactly? It looks to be part of a press sheet, but AFAIK, no right-side-up press sheets were produced.

In all fairness, the seller does state "Forgery?" in the listing title.

There is nothing inherently wrong with listing certain items without return privilege. ebay allows it.

I'm not entirely sure there's nefarious intent here. Sometimes, when a seller doesn't know what an item is, they will start an item at $0.01 or $1.00 and just let it go where it goes. I don't see anything wrong with other listings from the same seller.

The stamps do look like inkjet copies to me also. There are no lines where the edges of the stamps should be. I saved the image and blew it up on my computer - no edges between the stamps. I bought a few of these sheets when they were available and used them for postage, so I distinctly remember the way it should look.

I do have a problem with someone using the word RARE when it is a forgery or a copy. There is nothing rare about a copy. If it is a forgery, it should be marked as such so the next person selling it can't claim it as real.

The current bid of $204 with 15 bidders suggests that it is not perceived as a forgery.

Hello. I searched for the stamp, and I found it is
USA scott 4806e from 2013. Apparently, only 100 mini sheets were
issued by USPS with an "error of the error" :)
The regular 2$ stamp is actually the inverted jenny, and 100
sheets were printed with the plane "upside up". If the ebay
listing in the real deal, at 200$ it is a bargain.
Check this other ebay listing:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-4806e-2...153160655952

where somebody sells a single stamp from the error sheet for
more than half a million bucks (I am not kidding, check the listing). By the way, that stamp is certified.

Personally, I wouldn't even think on spending hundreds or
thousands of dollars for stamps which I can only see through a
bad cell phone photograph.
Conversely, if that sheet is the real deal, the seller should
think seriously on getting a scanner or a good camera and posting
nice photos of the sheet. That way, he/she could get 1000's of
dollars (or even more), instead of only a few hundreds offered
by some few brave buyers.

Another personal thought: I would never spend 1000's of dollars
on a modern stamp from 2013, however rare it is. Actually, all
over the world there are personal "design your own stamp" stamps
which are even more rare :-P If USPS decides to issue only 100
sheets of a stamp, that's their decision. I am not falling for it.
I prefer to spend 10-20$ for a real upright 1918 Jenny (lol).

Supermoli - We know the story. Problem is, in the listing pointed out by the OP, there are no perforations for starters.

No, it's not the 4806e sheet. That would not have the marginal markings from a press sheet. Also, 4806e is die cut. While there were imperf press sheets of the released version, this (if genuine) is likely printer's waste, as something like this would have been widely reported in the press.

I repeat that we can't make assessments regarding "inkjet" or otherwise from the images shown, given the subpar image quality.

While the images are indeed subpar, they are not concealing the level of detail needed to ascertain a real 4806e. This detail is clear in the cert/stamp pics of the authentic mentioned in the listing noted by supermoli above. It's a question of lines vs. solid. It is either a publication image or similar. But $200+ w a week to go, is a scary state of affairs for one "winner".

There are sheets that are not die cut, And they do have the hard to see 2013 on each upper left corner. I asked for more scans. But Id say its real and a bargain price. Also the upc code is a match. But before id bid I would need more scans.

The entire item as shown with the barcode and margin markings resembles none of the sheets as originally packaged and delivered.

Do you mean the individually packaged sheets in cellophane? If so, then yes this is definitely not that. Or do you mean a portion of an imperf press sheet? I don't have an inverted Jenny imperf press sheet to compare. As I said, if genuine, it's either printer's waste or part of a press sheet. The problem is that there have been zero reports until now of any right-side-up press sheets, either die cut or imperf.

Logic says bogus, but it's not cut and dried. It wouldn't be the first time that someone smuggled out printer's waste.

I guess a lot of questions would be answered if the seller would provide good detailed scans. As a well known auction house often says, it is a "gamblers lot". Personally if I was more of a risk taker this is one I would probably roll the dice on.

In all candor, it's already passed the point that I would feel comfortable taking a gamble on, and with 6 days left I speculate it will hit at least 4 figures. Too much to wager on craptacular images.

he sent me this pic it is not real maybe just a picture. It should be removed.

Yup

The postal service has already stated in the past that there were no Jenny right side up stamps in the press sheets. The sellers listing and subtitle is very deceptive. The regular upright Jenny error been selling in the mid five figure range and up. You just have to ask yourself if you had a legit item worth that much would you list it on ebay with the word forgery and dramatically lower how much you will get for it? It's clear he's wants to snag a sucker. And if you think it is "printers waste" why would you bid on that? If it's printer's waste then it's stolen federal property. So its not legal to posses it.