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Could This Be A 321 Cover????

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Posted 01/13/2019   1:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add craigk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On more digging, it appears the early PF certs on genuine used 322's were either withdrawn or overturned. Which puts the number of certified used 322's at zero. They do not exist.

From Siegel sale of the Natalee Grace collection Part 3 Sep 30, 2012-








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Posted 01/13/2019   6:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add raftender to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for replies how do I get a certification and at what cost??? If these don't exist any longer why then does SCOTT catalogue still list them???
I dont have a goo camera for close ups of stamps sorry. Just an interesting subject.
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Posted 01/13/2019   6:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add raftender to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
okay I have tried again sorry.


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Posted 01/13/2019   7:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, still not a scan, and it certainly looks like the height is nowhere near big enough.
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Posted 01/13/2019   10:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Tipzi to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Raftender, there are several problems with this cover that convince me it's a fake. First issue is that Scott #322 will have Die II characteristics, but this appears to be from Die I. Next, especially noticeable at the left end of the pair, is that the cancel on the stamps does not alight with the cancel on the cover immediately adjacent. The spacing between lines is not the same, so the stamps do not appear to originate on this cover. Last, a machine cancel usually leaves a gap just as it crosses onto the stamp because the stamp's thickness precludes the cancel ink from contacting the cover. On the cover the cancel goes right up to the stamp in every case, being even within the holes between the stamps.

This looks like a pair of #319, with perfs trimmed off to resemble a coil, was placed on a cover having a similar cancel but not an exact match; and parts of the cancel have been painted in, especially at the right end. It is common for forgers to instill confidence in their fakes by presenting them "on cover." My guess is that if these were soaked off cover you would see the cancel continue under the location of the pair, having a gap where the original stamp was located. You may even be able to see the cancel hidden beneath the stamps by placing the cover against a light bright enough to shine through it.
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Posted 01/13/2019   10:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
None of the early usages on cover are genuine. They can be seen by going to the PF site and clicking on the "early certificates" and searching under 322.
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Posted 01/15/2019   12:49 am  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
cancel looks wrong as Tipzi says
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Posted 01/15/2019   10:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Reedededge to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If, by some long shot odds, this comes back from PF as "genuine", PM me with a price. I would love to add this piece to my collection.

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Posted 01/22/2019   6:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add raftender to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have written to PF but they will not respond to me via email. Is their any others that can do the same job???
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Posted 01/22/2019   7:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with Tipzi, these are not #322. The die difference by itself is proof enough.

If you insist on sending this in for certification, you can also use the PSE (Professional Stamp Experts) or APS (American Philatelic Society). May I ask what was your question that was not answered by the PF? The expert groups noted plus the PF have websites with pricing, submission form, instructions and FAQs.
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Posted 01/23/2019   6:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add raftender to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As I don't live in the USA I wanted to know if I could send items to them for examining I will try the next 2 to see If I get a response thank you.
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