1c 1857 Plate 11 Stamps

txstamp - That 81R11 that you acquired is a beauty. I'm glad to see that you are keeping these 1c plating threads going, and that you are still adding to your collection.

I stopped collecting since I moved overseas and consigned most of what I owned to Chris Rupp, but I still enjoy studying the plates and working on the plating app that I started a couple of years ago. I now use the app more as an interactive tool to consolidate information, and these threads continue to be a great source.

Txstamp I agree with you comments on the Boyd sale at Cherrystone. It was a little bittersweet for me to see a beautiful collection that was patiently,with intelligence and with passion put together disbursed with finality.But such is life.The sale, for me at least, was a memoriam to Mr. Boyds' passion.
The write up attributed to Robert Boyd and Richard Celler was really a great overview of the work that these men accomplished in their study of Plate 11.I suppose ultimately that is a memoriam to both. That work lives on, and may they both Rest in Piece.
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My stamp (on page 9 of this thread) looks like an B-Relief, R2 layout line. . .if that is right, my stamp is from rows 3,5,7,9 or 10, and from columns 4R, 5R, or 6R, for 15 possible positions . . .is this the right way to get possible positions for this stamp?

Sorry to hear that, widglo. You had some great material. Can we assume that the new high-quality 1851 One-Cent items now offered by Rupp are yours?

@philazilla - Your observations are mostly correct if not completely so.

Your stamp is certainly a B relief.

Now - Boyd Plate 11 Figure 10, just about blew my mind.

The B relief on the transfer roll was about 1/4mm to the left of the other two.

So you can have a vertical multiple T-A-B with R1-R1-R2 !

To me that kind of mandates that for Figure 9 and probably 8 as well : you need two versions.
* One version for T-A and one version for B.
* This is just my off-the-cuff reaction to what I'm reading.

Now, since they almost fully reconstructed the top row, I'm assuming figure 8/9 are probably mostly based upon the T relief. That would imply that they may be off a bit for the B reliefs.
We need to keep that in mind.

With all of the above in mind, your statement about what rows and columns is correct, with the above caveat, since you have a B relief.

Its worthy of note that he shows a vertical strip of:

5-15-25R11, as R1-R1-R2.

However, figure 9 shows the 5R column as R2, which aligns with the B relief.

So maybe figure 9 is intended to align with B reliefs? - maybe he says so in the text -- let me know if you see it -- I haven't found it yet.

We have to be careful with interpreting that figure as I noted in my prior post.

I also just had a revelation, in thinking about the misaligned B relief on the transfer roll.

This, combined with guide reliefing probably caused a lot of the B relief double transfers at the bottom.

I have noted there are some weird 'sideways' double transfers on plate 11. By that I mean that the multiple entries appear shifted sideways instead of just slightly off a little high or low.

From memory - I believe Neinken plate 11 stamp number 20 (drawing) [I remember because I used to have one of these and it was weird] - exhibits a sideways double transfer at bottom.

This makes perfect sense if the bottom of the T relief was guided into the bottom of the prior entry B relief, and the T was not horizontally aligned -- and was shifted right a bit from the B. That absolutely explains double transfers on Plate 11 of this nature. Wow. Now this all starts to add up very nicely. I don't think I recall seeing that mentioned in the article, and if so, you read it here first.