1c 1857 Plate 11 Stamps

FYI - Ray's stamp is definitely 10R11.

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Great. Can they post me an image of 6R11, please? I need an image there.

Hey Jaxom, I can email my 4800dpi copy to you tonight. Won't be home til after 9pm central

Great. Thanks man.

Can I put it in the database?

I am thinking that the dot was used to set the height of the top of the stamp to set the roller. And that the dot was set every 4 columns. 10, 6, 2. The dot is different on 2nd but has a halo to mark it and the top of the stamp is on the line. Maybe there was not enough room or the dot got removed so they just put the top on the line. I bet columns 1 and 2 are higher than the rest of the sheet. Or a 4 wide relief roller (lol?)

jaxom - From the kind folks at the Plate 11 project, somewhere near Area 51, here is a confirmed 6R11.

The same stamp, in 3 different Siegel Sales - sale#-lot#:

918-15
1122-14
1150-590

They have completed the plating of the top row of the right pane.

Also, amusingly, you might note that the vertical imprint pair in your reconstruction, is actually left-pane.

So for dots like these, on Toppan Carpenter plates, you get them from basically two places -

1) Terminus for layout lines. These are usually very finely ruled lines made to help organize where the plate is to be entered. The dots also tend to be small and fine.

2) Bigger dots - called guide-dots, are from where the side-point of the transfer roll impacts the plate. Unlike layout lines, this actually represents a setting of the transfer roll. These dots tend to be bigger than layout line dots.

For Plate 11, guide dots are definitely an interesting study.
There is certainly evidence that things are quite different on Plate 11.

Jaxom, I'd be honored!

Don't think you've all seen the plate 4 question I put out there yesterday that got buried.....

Thanks for the image. I was hoping that I could find a pair with 6R11 so I could get the spacing to each side. Is there a plating drawing for 6R11? That left side pair I had just put there to help me with the spacing on the sheet.

It is really weird that on plate 11, I am looking for off-centered stamps for spacing and almost every example is perfectly centered? Just my luck. Try finding perfect perfs on other plates, like plate12.

I will look for the post.

Here is a scan of a 6R11 that shows the space between 5R11 and it.

The measurement from orn L on 5R11 to orn A on 6R11 is 1.20mm.

Stamps like the off-center 6R11 I just posted wont make it as a single lot in a Siegel sale.
Try ebay (kidding - well maybe not).

I was thinking the same thing. Don't depend on Siegel to provide many images of horribly off-centered stamps.

I tested my theory of using the spacing to attempt to plate a block from plate 11. I had some luck. I used the block from Siegel 1006 lot 1436. I have determined that it comes from columns 3-4 of the right pane. It is not row 1-4 or row 10. That narrows down the top left stamp as 43R11 or 63R11 since the top stamp is relief B and bottom is relief A.

Here is my second attempt on a strip of 4, Siegel 1006 lot 1491.
It is relief A. Therefore, rows 2-4-6 or 8. Checking right pane column spacing, it is columns 7-10. It does not contain 17R11 or 58R11, therefore, it has to be 37-40R11 or 77-80R11. My method seems to be working.