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Posted 01/29/2019   04:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add mdroth to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Given recent discussions - decided to pick up the mantle. Please feel free to post any stamp that you see online that raises suspicion as to authenticity etc.

The 'review' page of stampsmarter does the same thing. As that has not been used very often, I will leave it to Don to suggest ways to reconcile & we can all come up with an appropriate solution that will allow the broad base of knowledge here to be used to its fullest.

I will start us off - again, with inspiration from a recent post. Many others have commented on the large amount of problem listings on hipstamp - which I agree with. This is just the latest example, although an egregious one:

https://www.hipstamp.com/listing/tu...019/12292216




Worse - the guy claims to have 2 of them!

https://www.hipstamp.com/listing/tu...017/12292317




The seller claims both of these are Michel #741H. That translates to Turkey in Asia Scott #28A, or Isfila #1010. This is a $1750 stamp, whether mint or used. The reason for the high value is that the number of copies that got a 'handstamped' overprint is just 130. They are extraordinarily rare. The fact that the seller is only asking for $333 for these is further evidence of lack of knowledge. When these authentic stamps do come up for sale, they go for nearly close to CV.

These stamps are actually Turkey in Asia Scott #56, or Isfila #1041. A stamp with a CV of $12 mint & $6 used. Very common. These stamps have typographed overprints - NOT handstamps. The difference between the two is easy to see, once you've seen an actual handstamp.

For those that are curious, and want to compare to the above overprints, these are 2 examples of handstamps:



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Posted 01/29/2019   04:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice commentary Michael,
I learnt a lot. A saver, Thank you.

Presume a "cut cancel" on the last stamp? on both ?
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Edited by rod222 - 01/29/2019 04:44 am
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Posted 01/29/2019   05:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Correct Rod - both have cut cancels...
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Posted 01/29/2019   06:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If I remember correctly, the person who runs this site is a member here, correct me if I am wrong.
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Posted 01/29/2019   07:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure which site you're referring to, but correct in both cases.

The person who runs stampsmarter is Don. His handle here is 51studebaker, and he is a moderator of this board. He will chime in when he has something to add...

The person who runs hipstamp, I believe, is also a member here, for the past 2 days.
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Posted 01/29/2019   09:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is a misidentified stamp as you say.The seller is Darabanth from Hungary.If it is the same as the auction house ?
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Posted 01/29/2019   11:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is 2 mis-identified stamps.

Not familiar w/Hungarian auction houses - you would have to ask them/the seller...
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Posted 01/29/2019   12:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

What I don't get, is my presumption, that any collector, about to spend in the vicinity of $350, would have some basic knowledge of his preferred discipline.
Or, have route to establishing legitimacy.

Do buyers really get fooled by this type of thing? Or is it just folly?
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Posted 01/29/2019   2:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think it is an error by someone who knows very little about these stamps.They just looked
at the first overprints in the catalogue and said that's it.Almastamps.com is a name also
used by the Darabanth auction house in Hungary for their internet sales.They use other names in e bay or delcampe.The sellers store is another spin off of their internet selling.

Notice the same type of "DARABANTH" in transparency over these stamps being sold
by Darabanth auctions.

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Posted 01/29/2019   3:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Louise411 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I guess this is an error by forgers.

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Posted 01/29/2019   6:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jkelley01938 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
pennyblacky, He does have a 99+ approval rating on Hipstamp.

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Posted 01/30/2019   04:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Do buyers really get fooled by this type of thing?


Yes, they do. Check out this thread/auction - what prompted me to start this in the first place:

https://goscf.com/t/65906



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Posted 02/10/2019   03:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mdroth to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Seems we have another Turkey B24 pretender:

https://www.hipstamp.com/listing/tu...300/15386977




Unfortunately, it is B28 - CV $1.25
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