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United States Cut Squares 3 Cent Cirular Error Die

 
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Posted 01/30/2019   01:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Fizban48 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Just wondereing if anyone has an opinion as to what die these cutsquares pictured are. I have them as (larger piece U436g and the other one as U436 h ..... comments please
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Posted 01/30/2019   06:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ClassicPhilatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fizban48,
Yup, that's what they look like to me. The E in the first one is in the right position for die 1, the TS in the second are die 5.
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Posted 01/30/2019   07:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jobi01 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
After rotating both CSQs the right figure '3' tilts to the left. That makes these both Die 144(E)5. You can verify by checking the head size. Die 143(A)1 has a large head, 9 1/4 mm. Die 144(E)5 has small head, 8 3/4 mm. Resolution of the scan makes measurement difficult. 600DPI is preferred.

ADDED: see my book Collectors Guide to the Circular Dies
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Posted 01/30/2019   3:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Fizban48 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don what is it you had to say.. you rotated the pix but no comment.
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Posted 01/30/2019   4:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Fizban,
You can take Bill Lehr's opinion to the bank.
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Posted 01/30/2019   10:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stampman2002 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What no one so far has noticed is that these are color errors. The proper color for the 3 cent circular dies was purple or dark violet. These are the carmine errors.
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Posted 01/31/2019   07:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jobi01 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, Stampman, and being color errors reduces the die possibilities to two which is only down from three. Die 1 color error occurs only on size 11 plain front envelopes and is less likely to become a cut square. Die 5 color error occurs only on size 10 window front envelopes with corner cards and is quite likely to be converted into cut squares. Such information helps narrow our choices in the identification process. Considered by most to be color errors these are actually errors of value created when the wrong die was placed on the printing press. At least one press crew was fired for this mistake.
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