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Value Of Revenue Stamps On Document

 
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Posted 02/06/2019   06:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stamperix to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,

in opposite to the postal stamps "on cover", there is no value for revenue stamps "on document" in Scott. What could be the reason:
- most revenue stamps are not known on document.
- there is no big difference in value between the revenue stamp on of off document.
- the values are indeed all only for stamps on document.
- stamps on document are often in worse quality than off cover stamps, so no premium on document.

I know that my reasons above are not true :), just to indicate what a beginner could ask if he sees the revenue section in Scott.

So what I would like to know is just:
- is there a rule of thumb how much premium a stamp on document carries?
- is there again another premium if you have many stamps on one document?
- do you need the complete document to say "on document", for example if the document had 4 pages or more but only on one there are stamps?

thank you for any idea.


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Posted 02/06/2019   07:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add john62 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just my opinion based on my experience with Newfoundland Revenues.

Generally revenue stamps on documents are:
1. used
2. applied hap hazard
3. very few stamps on a document
4. simple cancellations
5. limited scope of subject matter

I would apply the same method of determining value as with most stamps ie. grade of the stamp, color, rarity, cancellation etc. The overall aesthetics of the stamp will determine it's perceived value by you.


Typical document.


Spectacular document with $1250 in revenues on multiple pages.



Mint examples


It's difficult to equate revenues on documents with stamps on covers because of subject matter, addressee and sender, cancellation type and location etc.


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Posted 02/06/2019   07:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In general, most US revenues on document do not add a significant premium unless the document itself has a collectable value. To match & medicine collectors, documents from those companies have value, for example. There are some other exceptions; first issue early matching usages, some cancels, and a few scarce to rare rates, but most documents fall into very common types of usages.
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Posted 02/06/2019   08:07 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To the OP, in my opinion "none of the above". There are too many variables with respect to document type, tax being paid, stamp usage and cancellation, vignettes, etc. to come up with a single "on document" catalog value.

As Bart (revcollector) states, for many revenues and document types there would be no appreciable premium, but for others, it could take a 50-cent stamp and make it a $500 item.

It's just too complicated to distill.

Here is a portion of a post I made several years ago regarding on-document valuation with respect to stock certificates.


Quote:
Ahh, the nebulous unscientific area of valuing stamps on document versus the stamp by itself.

There is no formula as there are SOOOOO many different variables that potentially affect the value:

1. The catalog value of the stamp

2. The condition of the stamp

3. The type of document

4. The condition of the document

5. The ornateness (engraving, color, etc.) of the document

6. The location (state, territory, Confederate) of the usage

7. The date of usage

8. The type of transaction on the document, e.g., the document may have multiple taxable transactions on it like an original sale and then transfer of stock.

9. The signatories to the document (famous people)

10. The company in question

11. What your specialty or focus is.

Let's not forget, for the vast majority of stock certificate collectors, this stock certificate is nothing special. The stamp to them is meaningless. Same thing with CDV collectors; they are concerned with what is on the front of the photo and/or which photographer it is, whereas a revenue collector will be concerned with the stamp, cancel, usage date, etc. What is on the front is secondary...

The Scott catalog and catalogs for stock certificates, e.g., Cox, will only get you so far and give you places to start.

When determining how much I'm willing to pay, I will look through ebay, Bidstart, Siegel, Kelleher, Schuyler Rumsyer, etc. and SAN to see how much (and how many) similar examples have sold for.

You just have to develop a "feel" for how common or scarce a particular document or usage is, and I'll admit that I occasionally whiff on them, misinterpreting the usage or document. Up until recently I haven't focused a whole lot on usages on document versus stamps alone.

You also have to determine for yourself how much you're willing to pay to acquire something for your collection (versus resale purposes; there different rules apply). If it's scarce and you really want it, ignore what the catalogs say.

Different people will view the exact same item differently. One person's trash is another person's gold. We don't all have the same focuses and aesthetics. There is a tendency to value things we regard strongly higher than someone else who only has a passing interest might.


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Posted 02/06/2019   08:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much. Your answers helped me a lot.

Indeed, it's not a general off-on-document calculation. But just because of that it could be possible that Scott lists some stamps with their value on document, if it's not common, for example, or multiples on cover (also if it's not common). As they do not list any stamps on documents at all (neither the regular use nor special uses), I just had to ask. So now I know more again thanks to the good answers.
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Posted 02/06/2019   09:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add m and m to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
to add to what has already been said, the Scott listing for revenues on document is confined to bisects.
it all boils down to what you or anyone else is willing to pay for them and how the item fits into your collecting interests.
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Posted 02/07/2019   1:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamperix, I've asked the same question a couple of time and what I've learned from the experts is basically as posted above that it is a case by case scenario. I have a few that I was going to part with to fund other areas of what I actively collect but I haven't been able to nail down a selling price and if I should sell as a lot or individually. I don't want to start them low and end up losing them at a fraction of their value and I don't want to be a dreamer either. So here I am stuck in the middle again.
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