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Classification 3 Cents Washigton

 
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Posted 03/08/2019   08:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add pisti1978 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
good morning

I enclose 3 Cent images of my collection that I would like to classify, if possible

thank you so much Simone

1)Perf. 12 * 12





2) Imperf




3) dent. 10




4) dent. 10 vertical






5) dent. 11




6) dent 11 x 10




7) machine?

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Posted 03/08/2019   09:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mstamping to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Did you try the stampsmarter Washington/Franklin identifier? It's a fast and easy way do determine your issues.
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Posted 03/08/2019   09:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You are on your own on this one. The APS used to charge $5 per stamp for the Quick ID service.

Links to 3 cent type identification on the stampsmarter.com web site:

http://stampsmarter.com/1847usa/was..._02main.html - flat plate or rotary
http://stampsmarter.com/1847usa/was...pesMain.html - offset

Also, there are many posts on this site and elsewhere on how to distinguish flat plate, rotary press and offset printing stamps without using a ruler or scraping the face of the stamp. Rotary press stamps are taller or wider. Three cent coil waste perforations are perf 11 x 10. Offset stamps like the bottom Schermack single (a freebee) can be identified by type or appearance.

Compared to spending $5 per stamp, joining the United States Stamp Society would be a bargain.
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1 – 333 WM191 (Double Line) or 376 WM190 (Single Line) This is a Type I - Top line of toga rope is weak and shading lines thin. Line between the lips is thin. Fifth line of rope is missing.
2 – 535 Offset, Type IV (look at the PO touching in the top for this ID)
3 – 489 – The coil looks genuine to me is Rotary press and is the only 10H coil. Type I
4 – 456 or 493, depending on WM190 (Single Line) or no Watermark. It is Type I, Rotary press, and this is a lovely joint line double pair. On the balance of probability, this is most likely a 493, which is the more common of the two. The WM190 is somewhat scarce. The CV of a joint pair like this as a 456 is $1,200. It's pencil marked as a 493, which I never trust pencil marks, but in this case it's a good bet. That JLP is still $110, and that's not taking into account that this is a double pair on the JL.
5 – 502 – It's perf 11, flat plate, Type II (toga line is complete, lip line is heavy)
6 – 541 The only 11 x 10 perf is the 541. It is also Type II
7 – 535 it is imperf coil, Type IV which we can see by the dot in the center line of the Toga button. It has a Shermack Type III vending machine perforation. (Used CV $4).

That's the run down.
Now that you have some 3c that you have identified the type on, use those to validate other types. You have a Type I, II and IV for reference now. So you just need a Type III.
Watermark #1 and #4 in your list, and you have definitive IDs for your 3c Washingtons.
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Posted 03/08/2019   11:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pisti1978 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks so much so now I can compare them with others, most used, you have been very valuable for these types of really difficult stamps
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Posted 03/08/2019   12:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ClassicPhilatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Pisti,
I'm a little worried now about my call on stamp #2, the Imperf. Can you by chance send me a better image of that one? Just the face is fine.
I want to check it a little closer please.
The others are bang on.
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Posted 03/08/2019   1:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
the second stamp is a type II engraved imperforate sheet stamp single, Scott 484. Although unwatermarked imperforate singles or strips have been sent to expertizers as imperforate coils, the last imperforate coils listed in Scott are 408V, 408H, 409V and 409H. From 1914 perforated rotary press coils started to fill the niche formerly occupied by imperforate coils.
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cfrphoto,
I agree... I missed the few purple specs on the back image originally. I'm working on a very tiny laptop screen while traveling. Great high resolution, but a 2k display on a 11" monitor makes for tiny dots. :)

After changing my browser resolution (zoom to about 150%), I can see them now, as well as see the rope line and toga better. I started to question my first call on it after a second look when it just didn't look like a rotary impression, but it was too small for me to tell, and I misread the odd spot that was obscuring the PO...
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Posted 03/09/2019   12:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gettinold to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
pisti1978

A company named Tasco issued booklets that tried to assist collectors with stamp identification. This is a copy of the booklet issued for this type of stamp.







One of the nice things about these booklets was they came with examples. This particular booklet was issued in 1941.
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Posted 03/09/2019   01:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ClassicPhilatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
gettinold,
Yeah, I have these. I have their 2c issues as well. (Though I haven't seen them in years... :O)
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