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Question On Date Stamps On Old GB Letters

 
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Posted 03/11/2019   12:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add pennyblackie to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
1840 penny blacks and 2d blue stuck to letters commonly have date stamps struck somewhere on the letters apart from just having the stamps cancelled with Maltese crosses, but I have come across these stamps used on letters cancelled with Maltese crosses but without CDS. I was wondering what old post office regulations say about date stamps and is it compulsory on letters?
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Posted 03/11/2019   5:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No idea about PO regulations pennyblackie but from my three MX covers, two are posted from London to London (one is 1842, the other 1843). The only other markings are Receiving House stamps and red London datestamps. The other is posted from London to Huddersfield in 1843. It has a London and a Huddersfield datestamp on the reverse, both in black.
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Posted 03/11/2019   5:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Almost impossible to evaluate broad-brush postal history generalities when this is a case needing an illustration.
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Posted 03/11/2019   6:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was referring to something like this...


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Posted 03/13/2019   4:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have prestamp covers that have no receiving mark. I don't think it's a particularly rare occurrence but I've no idea if it's against regulations.
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Posted 03/13/2019   10:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have checked with gibbons, they said that it is common for local use not to have a date stamp. This must have been an important letter to the garment manufacturer, explaining why the sender put 2d instead of a penny in the letter. I am eagerly awaiting for this to arrive and be part of my collection.
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Posted 03/14/2019   12:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A 1d late fee pennyblackie or just a double weight letter?
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Posted 03/14/2019   12:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Would like to see a scan of the contents when arrived, please.
Just 11km from my Mum's birthplace.
Fox could either be a clothing company, or Bank
The contents should give us a hint.

Fox Fowler Bank Note £5 (wiki)

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Edited by rod222 - 03/14/2019 12:44 am
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Posted 03/14/2019   12:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod222, I thought there is only one Fox Brothers (foxflannel.com), didn't realise there was a bank by that name. Will let you guys know the contents when I get the cover.

Bobby, I am not sure if the letter went to 2 ounces. The sender could have included a cloth sample or simply uprate the letter for peace of mind.
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Posted 03/14/2019   03:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rate was 1d for 1/2 oz, 2d for 1/2 up to 1oz.
http://www.gbps.org.uk/information/...840-1968.php
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Posted 03/14/2019   04:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oops, got the rate wrong.
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Posted 03/14/2019   04:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is interesting to note that taking the first class rate today and compare it with the rate in 1840, the rate has only gone up 9+ times gram for gram...


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Posted 03/20/2019   02:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Arrived today. Checked out the letter and it seems to be just a list of items and their value, probably too confirm an order. Quite certain that it is to the garment manufacturer...





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Posted 03/20/2019   02:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent. Thank you.
Certainly garments.

Nice to see you use weights, scans with fingers and thumbs

Fox brothers, Somerset 2017
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Edited by rod222 - 03/20/2019 02:50 am
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Posted 03/20/2019   02:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pennyblackie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very observant, that's a bit of me in the first picture.
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