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German Zeppelins - Real Or Fake?

 
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Posted 03/30/2019   11:57 am  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add eyeonwall to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Can anyone tell me if either of theses are real? The reason I am suspicious os because the 4m seems to have a slightly coarser dot pattern.



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Posted 03/30/2019   12:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dutchman1948 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These are all being sold as reprints but they are marked as such on the gum side. I have no idea if it can be removed or not.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/GERMANY-193...AOSw7KhclP6f
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Posted 03/30/2019   3:59 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
yes, I have others that are obviously fakes that are marked privater nachdruk on the back, but the question is whether the two above are fakes or not.
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Posted 03/30/2019   4:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Unless this is a trick question, in which case these would be 2 photographs, these look like photogravure printings. The top stamp is slightly out of focus, so the characteristic etched cels cannot be seen, but still, it would be a task beyond technical expertise to make a fake (offset printing) like this, I believe.

To make extra sure, one should check the watermarks.
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Posted 03/30/2019   4:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fakes ,recent made copies ,lack the fine details .
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Posted 03/30/2019   5:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have a few in my forgery collection -----




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Posted 03/30/2019   5:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Your top blue stamp looks real ,now that I look at it more ,let me get my original set .
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Posted 03/30/2019   5:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps I am incorrect, but all of the stamps I see in floortrader's reference collection appear to be offset printings.

The 4m stamp (original post) does appear to be a little coarse, but I be seen some variation in the print quality with these. So, watermarking is always necessary.
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Posted 03/30/2019   6:21 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Duh! It didn't occur to me that fakes would not have a watermark. Both of them do have the "network" watermark. So both will be headed to an ebay near you tomorrow, probably separately since the 2m has a crease.
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Posted 03/31/2019   07:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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