Help With Hungary, Romanian Occupation (Second Debrecen)

Scott #3N14: supposed to be pale violet. Anyone know anything about the weird color variant shown here? (I realize that many examples of this issue are forgeries. Yet surely a forger would get the color at least approximately right.)

Guess:
Light compromised / damage.
If chemical, I think the Opt would have suffered as well.

Taking a Bo-peep at mine, your left hand scan is too deep
Maybe the scanner? Forgery ?
My example is similar to my mind as "Fawn" ..or perhaps mine is also compromised.

If I were you,
I'd make duplicates of the scans, crop to the design edge of both,
then toggle the images rapidly.
I think you have a forgery happening there, perhaps both?

Here is mine cropped to the design, check the paper too, mine is rough .
Update: Certainly a forgery, check the mouth of the numeral 5's, the forgery slopes upwards.

Thanks, Rod. Do you mean duplicates of my two and yours, i.e., all three? In any case, I'll try toggling, though not till tomorrow AM. My left scan is a fair representation of the stamp's color, and I agree that it seems dark for "pale violet." Seems forgeries are at least a strong possibility here, possibly more for collectors than revenue. But light compromising is also an interesting idea. How to be sure? Odd too that our three examples are all so different.
Eric

Eric,
Your left scan, in my opinion, is a forgery.
The remaining two, yours and mine are open to interpretation.
Been too long collecting to be dogmatic, but I'd be disappointed if mine were forgeries.

Problem being, this is a specialised field, to get solid opinions.
I'll check Romaniastamps.com for their information, if any.

PS: Check the lines of shading above the cloud banks, numbers etc,
also I'll check my notes on forgeries of the Overprint, this may identify any interlopers.

If the down-sloping mouth of the 5 is decisive, all three would seem to be forgeries. In that series, none of my others with a five (same as yours) have that feature, i.e., all slope downward. As for paper, both of mine seem rather smooth than rough. Shading lines seem consistent with all the others I have. Whether that's a good or bad sign? In any event, thanks again for your generosity with time and knowledge. Hope we'll get solid info at some point, though I like these stamps too much to be eager for bad news.
Eric

Here's more, with just one characteristic given for the horseman stamp design:
http://postww1stampforgeries.org/hu...n-2nd-issue/

Romaniastamps.com
There are 22 stamps (plus another 12 stamps on two varieties of paper), 7 Charity and 5 Porto stamps in existence. Very probably the Debrecen II stamps were not allowed to be franked. Near all items with these stamps are either philatelic (CTO) or with the stamps being used as additions (something like a label) (text courtesy Dan Grecu)

They have multi shades as well, I am none the wiser.
We need a Hungarian specialist, if we want confirmation.
I won't hold my breath.

Still checking out the overprint, which may be a decider.

hy-brasil,
amazing, you often manage to get the oil. well done you. Thanks

Nobbled again.
The Romanian Catalogue fails to address the Occupation overprint, it services the French, Austrian, and Bulgarian Issues, however Debrecen is absent, or at least I failed to find it.

The Transylvania Overprints are very detailed. A shame the occupation is absent, unless it is a fabrication, as the stamp appear to be.

Your Left Hand Stamp fits the forged Overprint, no blip at 2:30, and the Opt is too nice and clean.
Your right hand stamp looks the deal.

Very interesting thread - of the 31 stamps I have with this overprint, 23 appear to be forged, 6 genuine, and 2 unclear, going by the indicator of the blip at 2:30 on the inside of the circle. The stamp forgeries site does mention that 15% of the genuine do not have the blip, so that muddies the water a bit. Will have to go through them more in-depth using the other indicators mentioned. Probably should check my 1st Debrecen too.

Some of your overprints are fakes --- one of my copies

We need a member with this work.

Page 13 a few lines about Major Boboiceanu and these un-official overprints.
https://www.hungarianphilately.org/..._03Final.pdf
*Boboiceanu Constantin, the Major of the Romanian Army, remained forever in connection with Romanian occupation expenses in Debrecen. The speculative military officer is associated with Debrecen I and II. edition. These are officially recognized stamp publications and are registered by the Universal Postal Union. Boboiceanu was not so pleased with it and at the end of his stay in Debrecen he had time for a pirate release beside his military duties. The case was brought to an end by the military court and 90 percent of the stamps of the release were destroyed, while the other courts were used as corpus delicti. These data come from a relatively reliable source, from Marcell Bíró, the monograph of normal, state postage stamps and a special issue of stamps, with overprinting by ZONA DE OCUPATIE FF 1919 by the Romanian Commanding Command of Debrecen. Author of the work published in 1920.
http://www.stampland.net/http:/www....-boboiceanu/

Thanks Perf 12.
Yandex did its best to translate the German.

Well, I'll be sad if my better copies turn out to be fakes, but perhaps that should be expected here. Will check them all this evening. Still puzzled to think that one that could be genuine (right hand scan above) has nothing "pale violet" about it. Also, are perf and gum irrelevant here? In any event, thanks to everyone for so much additional information and advice. I'd be nowhere otherwise.
Eric