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Help With Hungary, Romanian Occupation (Second Debrecen)

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Posted 04/11/2019   11:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
P.S. My German is a bit better than what Yandex has done here. I'll be home again in a few hours and give you something rather more comprehensible. (Unless a native speaker does so first.)
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As promised, here's a better translation of the German text that Perf12 provided:
"But much more dangerous than this bit of childishness was another of the [cavalry] Captain's efforts, one which exhibits exceptional cleverness and of which I'm now making all collectors aware. Captain Boboiceanu purchased a great many sheets of Hungarian stamps and, acting on his own, had them overprinted with a design that matches to a T the one depicted [above?]. Accordingly, there are also Hungarian stamps with the overprint of the emergency issue. The Captain tried to persuade the Director of Posts to advertise these stamps in Bern as well and seemingly to sell some of the sheets there, but the Director wouldn't agree. Stamps of this sort are common forgeries and may decorate Captain Boboiceanu's private collection, but dealers and collectors are hereby warned against them."

Meanwhile, I have to take a closer look at my own stock, to see how many of these gewöhnliche Fälschungen I may have (probably many).
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The stamp Rod posted looks genuine:Page 15
https://www.hungarianphilately.org/...Vol41No1.pdf


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How scarce are these stamps? Quantity printed?
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How scarce are these stamps? Quantity printed?


Unknownst to me.
(When I was collecting Romania, a few years ago, I only ever saw 1 collection come available, that's why I snapped it up. Does not mean it is rare, or scarce, but certainly not common in my experience)

Thanks Eric for the translation, excellent.
Thanks Perf 12.
I am comfortable with the medallion overprint status, the stamps?
I emailed hungaria stamp exchange, which confirmed the Brainard work, covers all the Hungarian overprints.

I'll save the shekels, here on in, as I have a complete collection of the B.o.b. issues, and would benefit from the knowledge.
I'll post, if and when I get the catalogue.

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The stamp Rod posted looks genuine:Page 15


Perf 12,
That link you supplied is a cracker! Thank you very much indeed.
That about covers most of what was curious to me.
Bravo ! Gábor Voloncs

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Thanks to Perf12 for the Hungarian Philately article: first rate and a great help. Now hoping to find that at least a few of mine are genuine. Not optimistic.
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Posted 04/11/2019   8:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Would have to disagree with one observation.
"Two Andrew's crosses separated the inscriptions"
They look to me like "Fleurons" not saltire crosses.
Mine appear to have multi arm stars.

Another observation:
Eric : Kudos on a great Thread title... perfect!
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By the way, do any of these stamps exist without the overprint? Or did the occupation make that impossible?
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So, I find I have 14 turul designs, of which only 4 have genuine overprints; 9 horsemen, of which 6 with genuine overprints; 3 rising suns with only 1 genuine overprint. And Rod, you were quite right about my original scan: fake on the left, genuine on the right. Now I'll have to see whether the stamps themselves are genuine. Can we assume that a genuine overprint can appear only on a genuine stamp? Whereas counterfeit overprints can appear on both genuine and fake stamps?
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Posted 04/12/2019   10:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Many thanks to both Perf12 and hy-brasil for the links they provided. Excellent articles, answered every question. For the recorded: of my 26 Debrecen II, all counterfeit overprints are on counterfeit stamps (none on the presumably genuine stamps that Capt. Boboiceanu overprinted). And, as expected, all my genuine stamps had genuine overprints. 15 fakes, 11 genuine: better than I'd feared.
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Better than I did - over three-quarters of my 31 stamps look to be forged overprints. Oh well, good learning opportunity.
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