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This was cataloged by the previous owner as a Scott 500. The color kind of pops off the page but that's not definitive. This particular collection has a lot of nice stuff in it but plenty of fakes and plenty of misidentified stuff too. So I need someone to check me. It looks like a type Ia to me. Could it be the real deal?  
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| Edited by rlsny - 04/27/2019 7:39 pm |
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rlsny, Yes, seems to hit all the buttons. Perf 11 Flat Plate Strong toga rope Strong toga button Shading lines in the face Single shading line in the ribbon curves looks a little odd to me, but they don't appear doubled.
That spells Type 1a - Scott #500.
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The right ribbon has a partial second line at the top, as documented a few years ago in the United States Stamp Society "Bureau Specialist". Members can search for articles on-line. Older articles may also be searchable by non-members. |
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Quote: The right ribbon has a partial second line at the top, as documented a few years ago in the United States Stamp Society "Bureau Specialist". Interesting. Is that true for all type Ia stamps or all Scott 500s, or just some of them? |
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Scott 406 ribbons look clean in comparison. Very lightly inked impressions of 500 from some positions on plate 10208 may not show the partial lines as clearly as more heavily inked examples from plate 10209. The Scott 406P1 large die proof does not show any sign of the partial second line in the right or left ribbon:  I have seen a couple of type I Scott 499 examples showing a small amount of extra ink in the left or right ribbon, but not enough to be confused with a type Ia Scott 500. |
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| Edited by cfrphoto - 04/29/2019 7:39 pm |
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cfrphoto, Is that partial line an attribute of all 500's then, or just some of them?
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The toga button and top line do not seem as well defined here as they might be. |
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The toga button is heavily recut most of the way around -- click on image to get a further enlarged view. That seals it for me. The top line of the toga is complete here unlike typical type Is. The Type Is can have that line pretty much missing so I feel that was the original case here where there appears to be no clear trace of recutting to my eye -- the whole line from button to frame is a recut. |
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Quote: The toga button is heavily recut most of the way around The heavy toga button outline, and other strong lines occurred because experimental transfer rollers with 5 and 10 subjects were used. No recutting on the plate was involved. Apparently higher than normal pressure was required to transfer stamp designs from the transfer roller to the plate. See "The 2¢ Washington Type Ia Identifier - Its "Partial Line"" By S. Richard Prothero in the "Bureau Specialist" Volume: 69 Number: 2 Year: 1998 Specialist: 816 |
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| Edited by cfrphoto - 04/30/2019 3:24 pm |
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I'm 100% onboard now with this as a #500. After what I learned here I decided to look again at my certified copy. Originally I compared only for color. But now I wanted to check for the partial line. Sure enough, it's there. Thanks all for the comments and education as usual. Here is my certified 500.  |
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rlsny, you will notice that the replies by ClassicPhilatelist and cfrphoto dealt only with the engraving and did not mention color at all. If the engraving isn't type 1A, no shade of color is going to make it one. |
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Yes, which is why the topic is focused on the type characteristics. But when I started looking at it, I wanted to compare the color since I had one. The feedback here has helped focus my attention on the engraving first and foremost. The expertise here is tremendous and I think saved me from having to send the stamp in question in for a cert. |
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