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Posted 04/27/2019   7:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rlsny to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This was cataloged by the previous owner as a Scott 500. The color kind of pops off the page but that's not definitive. This particular collection has a lot of nice stuff in it but plenty of fakes and plenty of misidentified stuff too. So I need someone to check me. It looks like a type Ia to me. Could it be the real deal?



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Posted 04/27/2019   9:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ClassicPhilatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rlsny,
Yes, seems to hit all the buttons.
Perf 11
Flat Plate
Strong toga rope
Strong toga button
Shading lines in the face
Single shading line in the ribbon curves looks a little odd to me, but they don't appear doubled.

That spells Type 1a - Scott #500.
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Posted 04/27/2019   11:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice! This collection is shaping up nicely. Thanks for the feedback.
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Posted 04/28/2019   12:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The right ribbon has a partial second line at the top, as documented a few years ago in the United States Stamp Society "Bureau Specialist". Members can search for articles on-line. Older articles may also be searchable by non-members.
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Posted 04/29/2019   1:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add disi123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Outstanding 500... Congrats!

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Posted 04/29/2019   7:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The right ribbon has a partial second line at the top, as documented a few years ago in the United States Stamp Society "Bureau Specialist".

Interesting. Is that true for all type Ia stamps or all Scott 500s, or just some of them?
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Posted 04/29/2019   7:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cfrphoto to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scott 406 ribbons look clean in comparison. Very lightly inked impressions of 500 from some positions on plate 10208 may not show the partial lines as clearly as more heavily inked examples from plate 10209. The Scott 406P1 large die proof does not show any sign of the partial second line in the right or left ribbon:



I have seen a couple of type I Scott 499 examples showing a small amount of extra ink in the left or right ribbon, but not enough to be confused with a type Ia Scott 500.
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Posted 04/29/2019   10:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ClassicPhilatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
cfrphoto,
Is that partial line an attribute of all 500's then, or just some of them?
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Posted 04/29/2019   11:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The toga button and top line do not seem as well defined here as they might be.
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The toga button is heavily recut most of the way around -- click on image to get a further enlarged view. That seals it for me. The top line of the toga is complete here unlike typical type Is. The Type Is can have that line pretty much missing so I feel that was the original case here where there appears to be no clear trace of recutting to my eye -- the whole line from button to frame is a recut.
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The toga button is heavily recut most of the way around


The heavy toga button outline, and other strong lines occurred because experimental transfer rollers with 5 and 10 subjects were used. No recutting on the plate was involved. Apparently higher than normal pressure was required to transfer stamp designs from the transfer roller to the plate. See

"The 2¢ Washington Type Ia Identifier - Its "Partial Line"" By S. Richard Prothero in the "Bureau Specialist" Volume: 69 Number: 2 Year: 1998 Specialist: 816
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Posted 05/01/2019   12:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm 100% onboard now with this as a #500. After what I learned here I decided to look again at my certified copy. Originally I compared only for color. But now I wanted to check for the partial line. Sure enough, it's there. Thanks all for the comments and education as usual. Here is my certified 500.
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rlsny, you will notice that the replies by ClassicPhilatelist and cfrphoto dealt only with the engraving and did not mention color at all. If the engraving isn't type 1A, no shade of color is going to make it one.
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Posted 05/01/2019   10:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, which is why the topic is focused on the type characteristics. But when I started looking at it, I wanted to compare the color since I had one. The feedback here has helped focus my attention on the engraving first and foremost. The expertise here is tremendous and I think saved me from having to send the stamp in question in for a cert.
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