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Minkus Supreme Album Updates

 
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Posted 05/29/2019   12:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Eric99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I use Minkus Supreme albums for my worldwide collection. I have the three volume base album published in 1966. I also have the following supplements:

Volume IV - contains the 1967 through 1970 supplements
Volume V - contains the 1971 through 1973 supplements
Volume VI - contains the 1974 through 1976 supplements

While the Volume IV, V, and VI title pages are as described above, these volumes are not merely the annual supplements packaged together. They contain "revised" pages that consolidate and reformat the layout for the years covered.

My question is - were additional multi year volumes sold by Minkus? Or was the only option for pages for 1977 and later the annual supplements?
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Posted 05/29/2019   2:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dutchman1948 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My understanding is, as I use them myself, is they only had 3 volumes up to 1966 and then supplements after that.

Amos has changed that as they sell the heavier pages in more sets but they are expensive and have many issues with missing pages between the sets, especially between 1963 and 1964.

Looking back, I would not have purchased the Amos sets for that reason.

I would have looked for the original supreme pages as you have. Keep in mind that even the originals, as you are finding out have been changed over the years by Minkus.

I believe the original pages also came in 2 volumes up to about 1956 or 1957, and a 3rd one was added later.
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Eric - As I also used the Minkus Supreme, I have interest in your question.

I obtained the "1840-1952", "1953-63", "1964-66", "1967-70" thicker pages as now sold by Amos. I did not use the original 2 volume edition (1954) or the 3 volume edition (1966), as you did.

Congratulations on having the three volume 1966 edition - that is an iconic one!

I believe there never was another complete edition put out by Minkus for the Supreme after the three volume 1966 edition - only annual supplements*. BTW, the supplements sold yearly were the same for the Master and Supreme editions.

*I wasn't aware that Minkus repackaged and reformatted the supplements for Volumes IV,V, & VI - thanks for the new information.

I did several blog posts on the Minkus albums- might be of interest.

Is the Minkus Supreme the "Goldilocks" Album for WW Collectors?

http://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.co...bum-for.html

Minkus Supreme 1967-70 - A Review

https://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.c...ar-1967.html

Minkus Master Global Album

https://bigblue1840-1940.blogspot.c...p-album.html
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Posted 05/30/2019   03:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My question is - were additional multi year volumes sold by Minkus? Or was the only option for pages for 1977 and later the annual supplements?

The Minkus worldwide album was adopted for sale by Amos/Scott some years ago after Minkus had gone out of business. Apparently Amos/Scott thought there was enough demand to offer it for sale in addition to its own Scott International album which they'd been publishing since the 1940s or so. There is some irony here as Scott and Minkus had been competitors for quite a few years. Both companies published "specialty" (country) albums and a worldwide album. Scott albums were generally viewed as the more elegant (and more expensive) albums. That was my experience, anyway. Minkus albums sold at lower prices and originally had thinner paper (now made thicker by Scott). Minkus were fine albums but a little less prestigious than what Scott offered.

Scott International pages included spaces only for stamps you were likely to get, omitting higher value and less common stamps. Minkus included spaces for more stamps than Scott. From the 1950s and '60s onward, the pages in both albums are equally comprehensive as Scott began providing spaces for all new stamps from then on. The difference in coverage is only in pages covering the previous years. To include so many stamps without adding hundreds more pages, Minkus pages are significantly more crowded. The Minkus worldwide album sold for less than Scott. To do this, Minkus seems to have crammed as many pages as possible into very large binders. As a kid, I remember being unable to even pick them up. I still can't pick them up. Scott's regular International binder is large, but not quite as large -- meaning you can actually pick it up. The result is the Minkus worldwide album is very thick, very heavy, and has very crowded (you may prefer "full") pages with spaces for more stamps compared to the Scott International album.

Unlike the Scott International, the Minkus Global originally came in two flavors, the Master Global and the Supreme Global. The latter was more comprehensive. The Supreme Global album consisted of two volumes in the 1950s when it was first published. I'm not sure about the Master Global. A third volume was added in the 1960s for more recent stamps. I don't think the pages in the previous volumes were changed in any way when this third volume was added. Vol III was basically a "supplement" to the previous volumes. After that, Minkus continued to publish a new supplement annually.

So the answer to your question is "no," Minkus did not publish a further new "volume" after Vol III. But they did publish annual "supplements" which are basically the same thing. It's the same with Scott which publishes a new "volume" every year. Scott has always called its new pages "volumes" -- whether they covered a decade of new stamps or just one year. But, unless I'm missing something, it seems to me they're the same thing. By the 1970s, Minkus was in decline, by the 1980s the company had been sold and soon after it went out of business. Scott/Amos appear to have bought the Minkus worldwide albums in this period some time.

Scott's International album initially was an 1840-1940 volume. Scott added a 1940s volume a decade later, then a couple of 1950s volumes, a few more volumes to cover the 1960s, and so on -- ad infinitum (apparently). Each new volume is a "supplement" to the older volumes. Scott did not go back and revise the older volumes of its International, if that's what you're wondering. Well they did in minor ways -- but not much. I wish they had done some revising since some omitted stamps should have been included, and so on.

In other words, Minkus and Scott basically do the same thing. Minkus calls it a "supplement". Scott calls it a "volume".

Or maybe I'm not understanding what you mean by "additional multi year volumes"?

As you've noted, when they become aware of a problem on previously-issued pages, Scott will include a revised page in the next supplement (or is it "volume"?) to replace the offending page. That's the extent of revising that I've ever seen.

The three additional Minkus volumes you have, IV, V, and VI, are groups of supplements. I don't think Minkus ever sold them as new "volumes" – probably because Minkus had gone out of business by that time. You say your pages seem to have been revised. That might be because the older Master Global pages (with fewer stamps) are not published anymore. I imagine you have the more comprehensive Supreme pages that are now being published. Or maybe Scott/Amos is constantly fixing problems with the older Minkus pages. If they are, I've never heard of it.
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