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Does Anyone Know Of A Different Paper Variety For The #502 3c Ty.ii Perf 11?

 
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I was just flipping through an old Precancel lot, when I saw this stamp. It is printed on very thick paper, with very little bend. There is a definite vertical pattern impressed in the paper; it's almost grooved. The gum is shiny. As you can see, the overprinting ink didn't take to the surface very well...

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Scott 530 Type IV offset printing.
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I don't see any joining of the PO...
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There is separation at the PO, but irrespective of the variety: save for the Blue Paper issue this is one, weird paper stock!
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The lower hair in the lock of two hairs to the right of Washington's ear is longer. This is a type IV (or type II) characteristic. While the image is too small, it contains enough detail to show clearly when viewed at 175% in the browser. Paper used printing offset stamps is often thicker or more porous than paper used to print engraved stamps. There is nothing unusual here, except perhaps the local precancel.
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That is some ugly paper. I found a very heavily inked 525 that had much thicker paper than normal too though we didn't get into the paper thickness in that post. I had wondered whether the stamp itself was legit. I can't measure the thickness but giving it the flick test it's quite noticeable.

https://goscf.com/t/66705

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Thanks, guys!! On mine, the Ty.II points are covered by the overprint. Another difference I found between the II and IV is the engraving of the pony tail: in the space, the top row of dots are elongated on the II-this stamp has stubby dots
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Type III and type IV stamps are not engraved. The offset method was used to print the stamps from thin metal plates. The plates had a light sensitive coating that was etched after laying a negative of the sheet of stamps on the plate and exposing it to light. A large view camera would have been used to photograph an imperforate sheet of stamps on film to create a negative.

The stamp is a type IV offset printing, not an engraved type II. The word "engraving" does not apply to offset stamps. See the section "Distinguishing Offset Stamps" from Stamp Smarter:

http://stampsmarter.com/learning/Ma...methods.html
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