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What Happened To The 5d Wmk. 7 With Overprint Os?

 
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Posted 08/07/2019   04:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add stamperix to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,

I just saw this article from 1999:

---edit: ok, this link is not allowed, so: it's a story about the orange-brown KGV 5d stamp with watermark 7 (small crowns and A), but with overprint OS which was (and is) not listed.
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It's written quite confidently that it was a genuine new find and was even published in Linn's as front page.

But I don't find this stamp anywhere, not in Scott and not in SG. Was it actually a fake then?

thank you.
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Posted 08/07/2019   05:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Plateflaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Probably a fake.

Brusden White only list punctured OS for the 1930-38 5d Die II light orange-brown on small multiple watermark paper.

Brusden White is silent on an OS overprint.
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Posted 08/07/2019   05:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Plateflaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ah, found it.

"A used stamp on Small Multiple Watermark paper, cancelled at Alexandra (NSW), 29 MR 32, was discovered in 1998. Most authorities consider this to be a forgery."

I recall the stamp now. Interestingly, it was discovered by an old friend of mine, the late Jim Manson.
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Posted 08/07/2019   05:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, that's what I wanted to know and also supposed.

I only wonder how it could have happened that it was in the news with all that positive reputation and even got a certificate of the Royal Philatelic Society of Victoria, but then at some point in time it was considered as a forgery? Would be interesting to read an article about how it was discovered as forgery.
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Posted 08/07/2019   05:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Plateflaw to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree.

The editor of Brusden and White who makes the remark that "most authorities consider this to be a forgery" is the same gentleman quoted some years earlier in the article attesting to its genuineness.
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Posted 08/07/2019   05:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, but an opinion, probably under impression of the big news and the great new discovery is still something different than a certificate of the RPSV, this is what is a bit surprising. So there must have been another certificate saying it's forgery, probably of another organization? Which expertising company has also good reputation for Australian stamps?
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Posted 08/10/2019   06:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Chris Ceremuga to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The OS overprint was a primitive forgery.

I wrote a "counter" article about it in December 2000.

I hen issued a negative certificate for it in May 2001 when it was formally submitted to me for expertizing.

Based on that it was then deleted from the Stanley Gibbons catalogue etc.


Chris (Krzysztof) Ceremuga
member: AIEP - International Association of Philatelic Experts


www.ceremuga.net
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Posted 08/10/2019   09:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice to have that cleared up,
thank you Chris.
Saved this to my Sideface folder.
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Posted 08/10/2019   2:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much for the information. I am not a longterm collector for Australian stamps, but expertising of them seems to be difficult sometimes, or maybe choosing the right expertiser :).
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