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Misperfed KGV Unnoticed In Collections

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Posted 10/23/2019   04:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The picture keeps changing. I can't figure out what we are discussing now. My previous comments were about a picture with two stamps of obviously different heights.
Now I see the stamps, all about the same height. Again, I don't see much here. Can you clearly point out the area of concern?


I have avoided this thread from the beginning....
Dashed if I can understand what you fellows are discussing

Nor can I understand why other Aussie specialists have not commented ?

If a stamp is line perforated the resultant stamp size can be anything at all,
As far as I understand it, a miss perf can only exist if the paper is doubled,
or the line perf is duplicated giving a double perforation.

With a comb perforation a missperf can happen if the advance mechanism faults, or again, the paper becomes folded.

If a lithographed stamp is "miss perfed" that is generally a fault in the application and position of the image on the lithographic stone, "Miss Taylor" often complained about the difficulty in perforating the early Laureates (if I recall correctly) due to bad lithographic positioning of the stamp images.

By all means enlighten me........




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Posted 10/23/2019   7:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add finches to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod222.

All I asked for was.. 'have other members *similar* (one perf or half perf taller) in other denominations in 'George V series & Roo/map series'. I would appreciate their scans.


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Posted 10/23/2019   9:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Finches. All 5 of the stamps in your most recent message are the same height. It is easy to see if you line up the top perforation on all 5 stamps, that you will get roughly the same height ... i.e., the bottom perforations will also line up perfectly.

The stamp image itself wanders around. (Actually the perf locations wander around, but easier to think that the stamp image is wandering.) This phenomenon is seen in almost every stamp ever manufactured.

Now, on your original post which now appears to be two 1d violet KGV, you have correctly placed the pictures to show that the overall height of the stamp (the location of the perfs) is indeed higher on the right stamp than on the left. The stamp image size is probably the same (tough to tell). I would have to rely on our Australian friends to take a stand on how common that is.
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Posted 10/23/2019   9:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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All I asked for was.. 'have other members *similar* (one perf or half perf taller) in other denominations in 'George V series & Roo/map series'. I would appreciate their scans.


Granted,
you may have misunderstood my post, I am not criticising, just trying to figure out the thread title "Misperfed KG5"
If you have taken offence, then I apologise.

See, how I understand it, non of the stamps shown are miss perforated,
they are simply line perforated.
I watched and expected similar replies, but none were forthcoming until Steve posted.

There are indeed as you requested "Jumbo" marginned KG5 Sidefaces, they do indeed look odd, but not miss perforated as I see it.
If I was mistaken, then I expected to learn something.

Steve,

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is indeed higher on the right stamp than on the left.


I'd suggest scanned at different DPI, or scanned and cropped, or a wet printing.
Surely all Sidefaces are the same dimensions, they all come from the same original die.
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Posted 10/23/2019   10:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Finally found what I was looking for, here are the "Jumbo" margin stamps
(not my image) I queried these in July 2005, and never had a response,
the curious thing about these, going by the corner teeth, these are Comb Perforated.

Any advice on these welcomed.......

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Posted 10/24/2019   11:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add finches to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod222,
NEVER seen used 'jumbo' margins 'BOTH WAYS' in KGV.. WOW!...Many Thanks.
New one for me. I was taken away by my 5 'taller Jumbos' so to speak.....or should be. lol

P.S.- Love the term 'Jumbo'.
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Posted 10/24/2019   3:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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P.S.- Love the term 'Jumbo'.


Not sure if that is an accepted Australian Term, I have borrowed it from our American friends, as you say, suits the bill.
A large margin on one side or another, is a "wing margin"


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Posted 10/24/2019   5:44 pm  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Finally found what I was looking for, here are the "Jumbo" margin stamps
(not my image) I queried these in July 2005, and never had a response,
the curious thing about these, going by the corner teeth, these are Comb Perforated.

Any advice on these welcomed.......


They are likely to be postal stationery cut-outs with perforations added later by someone who thought that they enhanced the presentation of the stamps.
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Posted 10/24/2019   7:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGV Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod you put this question up on Australian KGV Stamps explained 2/15/2010. Page 3

Your quote Rod.


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Here they are KGVman, from a usenet query 2005
Have you ever seen any like this before?


My reply.


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Very interesting, Rod. Thanks for posting.

No I have not seen them before. The 1d greens look like perforated cut~outs from pre~stamped envelopes. Extremely small perforations.


Your reply.Page 4


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That's an interesting take KG5 man,
I hadn't considered perfed cutouts, you were thinking outside the box, Bravo!


Much water has gone under the bridge since back then.
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Posted 10/24/2019   8:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow!
Apologies John...I usually name any response as the image with a suffix (2)
so the query and the solution sit side by side.
Maybe not then. (You have a very good memory!)

Looks like a majority opinion, thanks to you and Fair dinkum Stamps.

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Edited by rod222 - 10/24/2019 8:16 pm
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