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Is This Scott 10A Or 11A?

 
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Posted 12/21/2019   3:50 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add 3193zd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Is this scott 10a orange brown or 11a orange red? Also any idea of what the black Xs represent? Was the postage due since it was forwarded? Are there recut lines in the triangles? Like one in upper left?






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Posted 12/21/2019   5:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice cover.
The stamp would be an 11A likely from plate 1 Late.

I say it's an 11A not based on color but on the worn plate appearance and the recut frame lines that look to me like plate 1 late.
The June postmark gives a good indication that's it's the late plate also.

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Posted 12/21/2019   5:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamp is top row plate 1L, 11A.
1 line recut upper left triangle.

Cover was forwarded with 3c due from addressee.

No opinion on Xs. Doodle?
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Edited by txstamp - 12/21/2019 5:36 pm
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Posted 12/21/2019   7:49 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the help guys!! The color is very orange but faded.
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Posted 12/21/2019   7:51 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I could plate it to confirm but it looks like it is probably one of the positions with the short "TA" of POSTAGE.
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Posted 12/21/2019   8:02 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sinclair you state recut frame lines.... do you mean the upper line in the left triangle? or something else?
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Posted 12/21/2019   8:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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positions with the short "TA" of POSTAGE.
Winston it sure is, it's 6R1L

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Edited by stampcrow - 12/21/2019 8:05 pm
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Posted 12/21/2019   8:58 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
SO 6R1L is only found on 11a?
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Posted 12/21/2019   9:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
yes, plating is the surest way to identify these
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Posted 12/22/2019   12:27 am  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks again!
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Posted 12/22/2019   11:14 am  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So the mark above the upper right diamond is a characteristic of that position?
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Posted 12/22/2019   1:26 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I assume you are talking about the guide dot? Almost every top row stamp of the 1851-61 issues have guide dots located near the upper right corner of the stamp. They are all unique in their own way, being put there by hand, even if some seem to be virtually identical. Most are quite distinctive and are very reliable plating marks.

One exception that I better mention is the 10c 1855 stamp. It appears the plate was entered in an upside down orientation and the guide dots are below the lower left corner!
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Posted 12/22/2019   2:00 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Sinclair! I was just checking if that is used as an identifier.
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Posted 12/22/2019   3:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add littleriverphil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Was the postage due since it was forwarded?

From the creases caused by the contents, I'd think that it was over weight. Looks like there were multiple pages. Wonder how long the PM held the cover before the forwarding began?
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Was the postage due since it was forwarded?


There was no free forwarding in this era. This is a single weight cover, 3 cents per half ounce. Forwarding required a new postage payment.

From 1851 to April 1, 1855, prepaid was 3 cents and 5 cents collect when due (often see as forwardings). This was to encourage prepaying letters.

For April 1, 1855 and after, prepayment became mandatory, yet there is considerable postage due mail, like this cover, where the rate for forwarding (and mail found to be overweight) was only the 3 cents, thus this cover was mailed in 1855 or later based on the 3 cent rate of the forwarding alone, which should of course match the plating history already discussed.

It would have been forwarded immediately upon knowing to do so.
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Posted 12/22/2019   4:59 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John, it is almost certainly an 1855 cover.
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