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Posted 12/27/2019   08:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Viper268 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi There,

Can you please identify this stamp, As far as I know its a 1880 Holker state stamp. It has purpulish grey print and shiney silver on some areas as I magnify looks like 100% Silver. According to my father he was Maharaja of his state.

Please identify with SG number if available.

Thanks in Advance.

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Posted 12/27/2019   08:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Indian State Indore revenue ?
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Posted 12/27/2019   10:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Viper268 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes Thanks. As I researched Indore state is Holkar state, in middle era of British East India invade.

Looks like He is Holkar XIII Bahadur GCIE (1890 1978) Maharaja of Indore (Holkar State) belonging to the Holkar dynasty of the Marathas, son and successor of Shivajirao Holkar who abdicated in his favor on 31 January 1903.

Picture depicted hes 4 to 6 Years old. Means His father printed this stamp in his favour in or around 1880.
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Posted 12/27/2019   10:31 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

c1905



You can freely download the Forbin catalog here
http://stampsmarter.com/learning/Ho...atalogs.html
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Posted 12/27/2019   11:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Viper268 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Appreciated & Thanks a million 51studebaker.
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Posted 12/27/2019   12:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Viper268's stamp would be 1 anna vermillion? Euh...
Different picture,different colour
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Edited by vayolene - 12/27/2019 12:49 pm
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Posted 12/27/2019   12:52 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Errr...No one said it was the same stamp, this was why I said "c1905".
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Posted 12/27/2019   12:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vayolene to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK Don
Happy New Year!
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Posted 12/27/2019   1:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
K&M lists this as Type 20 Under Indore as Documentary like Forbin but with a dimension of 28 x 36 mm. Forbin most of the time did not have the actual stamps in hand.
I have the vermillon one anna which is the most common,(28 x 36 mm.).
Other colors exist in the serie like red-brown besides the vermillon.
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Posted 12/27/2019   6:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Holkar 1 Anna Vermilion
Not my image
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Posted 12/28/2019   2:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Viper268 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
:( I am lost again. Where should I go to check the details?
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Posted 12/28/2019   7:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Opinion.
In my guesstimate, you have a right to be confused.

Quote:
K&M lists this as Type 20 Under Indore as Documentary

I believe it to be this stamp that has been degraded (colour changeling)
Engraved by Waterlow and Sons Perf 14.5

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Edited by rod222 - 12/28/2019 7:38 pm
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Posted 12/29/2019   09:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Tyoe 20 of Indore.
The portrait is of Maharajadhiraja Sir Raj Rajeshwar Sawai Shri Tukojirao III Holkar XIII Bahadur GCIE (26 November 1890 21 May 1978).
The Holkar family dynasty of the Marathas moved too Indore city in the early 19th century.His first marriage was at the age of 5.
Later on he married an American born woman !
He was 15 when this stamp came into existence.
He reigned from 1903-26.(full powers at the age of 21)

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Posted 12/29/2019   2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Viper268 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes its the same value & photograph stamp. I agree colour degradation is possible, but in gray scale or reddish grey as it was rotogravure printing. I think. How is it possible that it turned into bluish & silverish shiney solid grey with loss of details.

Colour formula in the process of making red is Magenta + Yellow ink.

Check another picture it is the same stamp, just lighting added at 90 degrees.



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Posted 12/29/2019   3:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There were inks with a high metallic contet used for some stamps of the Indian states.
The exact referece I don't have.
It's possible there was some lead in the ink + something else that resulted in that blue
color.For Chemistry specialists...
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Edited by perf12 - 12/29/2019 3:09 pm
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Posted 12/29/2019   3:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Viper268 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I tried a lot, if wash it will seems like this!

Other one is color degrading to darker and darker. It will not letting me fill the whole left side.

Only possible when you misbehave with plates or mishandle the printing by overrun other color or during the color testing.





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