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Bohemia-Moravia, 1939, Scott #21 And Michel #21

 
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Posted 12/27/2019   10:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add EMaxim to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Michel Deutschland-Spezial recognizes three types of this stamp. I can't envision Type III from the description. Could anyone share a scan?
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Posted 12/27/2019   1:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a scan of a stamp that is not Type III. Also a portion of the page that describes how Type III should look. I can read the description, but not imagine what it looks like. Need a scan that shows Type III.

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Posted 12/27/2019   1:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rugface to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Pofis Protektorat specialized catalog has an illustration that I think is this type. Pofis doesn't specify types but shows several printing/plate varieties. It looks like the variety is the serif at the top of the "1" is filled in at the bottom of the serif.

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For some added information,your stamp has plate positions 109 & 199.
Further info here: (21 & 22)
http://index.csphilately.org/pages/2p.htm
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Posted 12/27/2019   1:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Something else to look for.
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Neither Rugface's scan nor the info in the csphilately.org article seems to provide anything corresponding to Michel's (cryptic) description of Type III.

Rugface: are there other images you could scan?
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The Google Translate transwording of the Michel listing is: Wedge-shaped pressure drop from "MOR (AVA)" to "1 (0)" to medium leaf. My non-fluent translation would be something like: Wedge-shaped printing waste in the "1(0)" above the "MOR(AVA)" by the middle leaf." The first image I posted meets that description. I am very much open to a correction of my interpretation of the Michel listing!

The Pofis images for the 10h varieties follow. The original image is the second from left in the group of four.



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Posted 12/27/2019   6:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The wedge shape into the right side of the R MOR(AVA)


Check out this sellers items.He has blocks of 25 where the types are found.Michel may call these types but in fact they are cliche types in the sheet.

http://www.pevinx.cz/protektorat-3....alues=1:20:2
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Rugface: For "Druckausfall" I was thinking "printing omission." I like your "printer's waste" better, i.e., something like a mark of color that has fallen out of place in printing. I read "von" to mean "of", but again your "from" could be better. For "über," usual meaning is "over" or "above," but "upon" is also possible. So, if this is a "wedge-shaped" mark of some kind, it would seem to come "from MOR," and go instead "upon the 1 that touches the middle leaf." Your image does show the serif of the 1 filled in with what would have to be a wedge-shaped bit of white, so I'm tempted to agree that that's an image of Type III. But how does that bit of white filler come "from" or be "of" MOR(AVA)?
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Perf12's image may very well be the Michel type III. That's the stamp in the small single image I posted. However. in describing the type III, there is absolutely no need to reference the "1(0)" or the "middle leaf" for describing the extension off the "R" of Morava.
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Perf12: Great seller's site! Two possibilities there: the one you show with the wedge-shape adjoining the R (but then what does Michel mean "über '1(0)' bis mittleres Blatt"?); and the example that Rugface prefers, which appears in the second column left in the image below (but then what would Michel mean by "von MOR(AVA)?).

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Posted 12/27/2019   9:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with Rugface regarding the example Perf12 posted. Also, the image Rugface has shown should certainly be a listed variant. The wedge-shaped space of the serif of the 1 is so clearly filled in there.
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