Netherlands : Stamps On Steiner Pages.

Hi NSK,
Thanks for the help, I am hinging my collection currently,
and, as any new venture, got into a bit of a tizz, with the earlies.

As it happened I became mixed with the Gull and the Veth
constantly switching pages.
(Considering I am of the Scott cohort)
Scott was remiss in not advising Wmk "none" after Wmk 1 in the catalogue.

Sheesh! I checked for watermarks, and thought "Well done" to the Netherlands, the circles were easy to ID.

Now you tell me the circles come in 2 forms

I used about half a tin of Ronsonal on the blighters.
(I have so many Neth stamps, you guys and gals must have liked letter writing!)

Now I see the Gull are the ones Litho and Typo, they are easily segregated.

Cheers
(Hope the Hockey girls were successful)

The horizontal and vertical watermarks tend to be a 'specialist' area. NVPH does not list those separately.
edit: as pointed out by Johan, below, there is just a horizontal watermark for this issue. Varieties, normally, are listed.

It lists no watermark. This has a 10c light red, but it lists a rose-red stamp with small white dots next to the portrait frame. The first issue (10c, 15c, 35c) was issued for a philatelic exhibition. These have the dots.

The permanent series without the dots also has these values in different colours, but the 10c red also exists with the dots in rose-red.

The 'Speciale Catalogus' mentions the vertical and horizontal rings of the 1926 series, but does not list them separately. It lists the series as 1926, perforated 12.5, and as 1934, perforated 13.5 x 12.75.

Edit: as before, Johan is correct there is just one watermark horizontal for this 1926 issue

Stamps from rolls exist with syncopated perforations in three varieties: horizontal, all four sides, corners.

The 'Lebau' (designer) stamps also known as 'Flying Dove' (not gull) suffers from similar varieties. The original series was printed in offset lithography without watermark, then with watermark. The latter, except for the 1/2c, was printed in 1941 (during the occupation) in photogravure. This series was extended in 1941 with 5c and higher values and a new 2 1/2c (50c has vertical and horizontal watermark varieties). These 'new' stamps have slightly smaller letters 'NEDERLAND' an were printed in photogravure.

So, yes. The 1926 set (except 1/2 d) exists both offset litho (two perforation gauges) and photo (wartime).

The girls played very well for three quarters, but lost it a bit during the third and lost 2-4 (three of the four in that third quarter). But this was against the number two team, so no shame, a good test and without the world's best player and the captain a good sign they have grown. Our hope for this season was to avoid play-outs, we now hope for play-offs.

The 1926 series Veth only has Horizontal watermark.

Why does it show both horizontal an vertical watermarks?

In years to come there were series with both types of watermark, for instance Postage Due 1947 series.

The NVPH catalogue makers wanted to give an example what these to types look like.

Giving an example is fine. But in there "wisdom" they put the example with the first series issue with watermark rings(Veth 1926). This without any explanation, how stupid can you get.

The Veth series with watermark only has watermark rings horizontal.

Thanks to both,
I'll have to read several times to get the gist.

In the meantime, do I have the 1943 and 1944 Admiral?
They look close, excepting the inscription, which differs in position.

The Admiral's lace waistcoat looks more defined in the Sc#252A
Thanks
Actually, now I have posted this, I can see quite clearly the differing text sizes !

Johan,

You are correct. I misread the header. It is only horizontal rings for that issue. I missed the 'T' for perforation. That is what has 'different' mentioned, not the watermark.

Rod,

You have both: type I left and type II right.

As you write: the inscriptions are different. The original type has the 'N' and final 'D' touching the frame. In the second type, they do not touch the frame. Your scan shows this very clearly. The 'D' is the best example as you have to look at the serifs of the 'N' to determine whether it is type I or type II.

On these two stamps there also appears to be a difference in the name position?
Don

Nice flyspecking there Don
I do not have the caliper software, often wished I did!

Don,

Agree. My stamps also show this. The whole typography on these stamps may have been changed. The touching of the frame line, however, is very recognisable to the naked eye and may have been used as sufficient identifier.

This may be 'constant.'

1943 Steiner Page 2.

1959 Steiner Page 10.

What Steiner calls 'seahorse and other' does not fully reflect what the stamps represent. These were issued under auspices of the NAZI occupiers. They, actually, are propagandistic Germanic symbols and Dutch naval heroes that recall the glory of the Dutch (Germanic) nation.

Where these were issued as NAZI propaganda, they also are sufficiently neutral to avoid opposition.

Obviously, the 1959 'DC 8' stamps celebrate the 40th anniversary of the founding of KLM, currently in its 103rd year and the world's oldest operator flying under its original name.

The 'van der Kolk' is incorrect. His family name is Schroeder van der Kolk. Jacob Schroeder van der Kolk was a physiologist and anatomist. He researched epilepsy and mental illness.

By the way, 'van' in a family name becomes 'Van' if not preceded by the Christian name. So, Peter van Amsterdam becomes Mr. Van Amsterdam.

Johannes Wier, also Johann Weyer, was a physician, demonologist, and occultist. He published against persecution of witches in the 16th century.

The two stamps were issued to commemorate the International Year of Mental Health.

I was researching Admiral de Ruyter ("Grandfather")
on wiki.

The image of the stamps appears to be taken from a 1675 copper engraving
a most unflattering engraving I have seen. The stamp does him justice.

Any information on these, please?
Vorsten Vaandaag
Cinderellas?
Dummy stamps?

These are seals designed by Eppo Doeve, who died in 1981. There is one with inscription '1912' as well.

"Vorsten Vandaag" was the name of the magazine now published under the name "Vorsten."
Under the title "Vorsten Vandaag," it appears to have been published from 1973 until 1978 or 1979.

They were made for the magazine and could be ordered for DFL 2.50, with the net proceeds being donated to the Koningin-Julianafonds for social development. Not sure when they were printed, but I since they were a Jubilee Issue and the Queen's Silver Jubilee was 1973, it might have been 1973.