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Another Ebay Chuckle - 37d?

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Posted 02/08/2020   10:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Lars714 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I understand there are gems online, this may not be one of them, unless I am missing something?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-Sta...AOSwPpJeMx3e

Buy It Now - 295 Cdn

Chris
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Posted 02/08/2020   10:22 am  Show Profile Check Stamps1962's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Stamps1962 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
'This stamp is from a large family collection that has been recently found.
I know nothing of grading, collecting or value and just used eBay as a guide.
Please do not ask me questions as I will not know the answers except for general things.
I have tried to photograph it as best as I can to show details'


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Posted 02/08/2020   10:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lars714 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
and yet another, this time 500 Cdn for a rare colour and perf...

I know SQs can be difficult, but really?

Just loading these up for a Saturday morning chuckle.

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Posted 02/08/2020   10:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Stamps1962

If this stamp claims to be a Scott 37d Indian or copper red, it should come with a certificate...Not a cheap stamp if it is really a Scott 37d stamp...Check your Unitrade 2020 catalouge, or purchase one.

Robert
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Posted 02/08/2020   11:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add archerg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I estimate 95% + of 37d listings on eBay are misidentified.

With a 1890's Brandon squared circle or 1897 CDS, the cancel is telling you 99.99% the stamp is a 41.

A cert for a 37d is a good idea, generations of collectors goof on this one.
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Posted 02/08/2020   9:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add No1philatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Personally, I have only ever seen two 37d used and still on cover. And the above images are so far from the real thing. HAha! The 37d I saw are owned by a collector in PEI who purchased both in a lot of covers from someone in N.S. for a very reasonable price. They were of the correct perforation, 12.5, and color and date was in the correct short time period. They were neat to see and check out.
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Posted 02/09/2020   1:56 pm  Show Profile Check gportch's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gportch to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is pretty easy to see that the perfs on this stamp do not match the 12 1/2 on the gauge. Close but no cigar. It is likely perf 12 1/4 which indicates the 1896-97 printings. I have a number of 37d's in my collection and have what is likely the latest recorded (on cover) usage in period -- November 4, 1870. Other covers in my collection include February 1, 1870 and February 7, 1870. I have 4 singles (off cover) none of which carries a date, but all have been certified. Not one of any of these is remotely close to either of the above examples in colour.
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Posted 02/10/2020   11:18 am  Show Profile Check jogil's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have only seen two examples of 37d used and they were both at William (Bill) Coates Philatelist at a stamp show.
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Posted 02/10/2020   1:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I put you here the Indian red color.

juge your self.
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Posted 02/10/2020   1:37 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1. Orange stamps of this era are notorious for color changelings.

2. Judging colors from an image has nothing to do with the actual stamp color. Every scanner is different, every monitor is different, every computer is different. I do not understand why we keep thinking that posted images reflect a stamp's color, it serves to continue the misconceptions.
Don
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Posted 02/10/2020   1:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is my certified copy of 37d dated MA 3 1870 and appears to have multiple strikes of a split two ring cancellation from N.S. town unknown.


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Posted 02/10/2020   2:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add watermark to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Don on color comparison on PC's. There are too many variables in settings and even the color can change by tilting the viewer screen. You can only approximate color with a scanner and PC. My image just gives you a ruff idea of what it may look like.

Mike
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Posted 02/10/2020   2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In general I agree with those opinions about scanners and monitor.

But, if you preset the scanner, video card and the monitor for RGB co;or scale, for pre-modern stamps you will have a very good and precise (almost 95 to 98%) color. The difference will be only the monitor filters.

It is not easy task, but could be done. Another thing it is the quality of the scanner. I recommend a photo scanner not an all purpose scanner.

I use a Xerox photo scanner with Matrox photo video card on PH monitor, and compare all time the stamp with the color chart scanned at same resolution. Best of this I can't do because miss me the spectrum color machine.

Promise folks that one day I will post the way to set-up and the RGB scale.
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Posted 02/10/2020   2:53 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
With cost and time you can calibrate your scanner (you have to purchase 3rd party targets) and your monitor. Note that to calibrate your monitor you MUST define your ambient lighting in the room by using a meter made for this purpose. Once you have purchased the target and equipment and done the calibration, you then HAVE to save you scan in a uncompressed file format like TIFF. Saving the file in a compressed file format like jpg will change the colors in the image and your calibration is no longer of value. The issue here is that uncompressed TIFF file are huge and you will not be bale to upload them tot his community.

And even if you do the above, virtually no one else here has a calibrated monitor. One only has to go to a TV or computer store and view a wall full of TVs and monitors all displaying the same screen to see just how much color difference there is between devices.
Don

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Posted 02/10/2020   3:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add silviosi to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I use PSD and EPS file. Up load here normal you have to go with the web request if not the site server will be over saturate. In fact me I talk for purpose of analyzing the stamps. The photos here could be a good indication, but never 100 %.

When I upload here I keep my RGB file but then print in Web CMYK Web jpeg for better result but not perfect.

you are perfect right on time involved, but the hobby stay a hobby which always will ask our time and passion.
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Posted 02/10/2020   4:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Lars714 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
yet another, this seller has over 8000 sales, 99.7%. The 2R7 cancel is St John NB, so at least in the east. Good price (210 USD), if true, but I think I would need a certificate...

Chris

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