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1 Cent Coil 1912 Washington Stamp

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Posted 02/12/2020   8:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, perf, so is it 12-66 or 12-67?

The perforating and the cutting of the press sheet into panes is a 2-step process, thus there is a somewhat variable height between a natural straight edge and the parallel row of perfs. This could have been a "tall" stamp.

I see no reason to believe the inked image is faked, but building on determining what the original item was and how it may have been transformed into what we see here. How much is legitimate, some or all?
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Posted 02/12/2020   9:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oh I never found a fake that could not be detected. Interesting stamp. Has perfs that no other stamp has making it one of a kind. Somehow the post office managed to only perf one stamp wrong. Can't happen on this stamp. Pretty cool how the year is aligned perfect with no room to spare. It can happen but would be rare.

I would like to see the stamp and the KS gauge together on both sides. I would like to see a real life measurement along with the back.

Fun exercise for the moment.
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Posted 02/12/2020   9:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mrita75 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
YW. I prefer lady
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Posted 02/12/2020   9:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add camp742 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Its 12-66. I thought maybe a tail as well but the 12 perf is stumping me.
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Posted 02/12/2020   9:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add camp742 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From the back side; no difference. Stamp height overall is 24 mm. Width from rounded perf to rounded perf is 21mm.
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Posted 02/12/2020   9:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Our questions seem to be teasing out addition facts piecemeal. It would have been good to know much of this from the beginning. What else do you have to share? It's really time to get a hi-res scan of front and back posted, as well as the scan of the perfs against the Kiusalas gauge.

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Pretty cool how the year is aligned perfect with no room to spare


The 1912 is the third line of type in the center of the Chicago machine cancel, a Time Marking machine in common use in Chicago at that time. Very normal.
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Posted 02/12/2020   9:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Imperforated stamp with added perforations or 405 trimmed. These come to my head without doing a lot of digging. Why? Who knows someone wanting to have some fun.
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Posted 02/12/2020   9:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add camp742 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Measuring a 12 perf (1912)that is four sided has a height at the inside of the rounded perf top to bottom inside rounded perf is 23mm. So this stamp would show a trace of perf if trimmed as well.
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Posted 02/12/2020   9:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
camp742,
NO, you miss the point of a natural straight edge and a cut edge. The distance can be be more than on a stamp perforated on 2 sides, as you suggest.
PLEASE, before we go much farther, provide the hi-res scans.
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Posted 02/12/2020   9:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Example real or fake? I will save you the work it's fake.
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Posted 02/12/2020   9:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add camp742 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The catalog does have a non coil 405 that has a vert pair with horizontal imperf and is perf 12. Don't know about the watermark on this stamp. Like to know why the catalog has that (405a) but if no one has seen one; why is it in the catalog??? That means it would exist if its noted. But that would mean this stamp would be doubled faulted with two imperfs. But the measurements for a 4 sided 12 perf don't add up for my stamp. Even stranger.
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Posted 02/12/2020   9:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If my memory is correct the 405b is a booklet stamp,they have been known sometimes to be misscut.
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Posted 02/12/2020   9:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add camp742 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'll work on the scans tomorrow for all. Hopefully that will bring a little clarity to this. Thks for all help. PS... if it was reperfed from a imperf stamp, wouldn't the new perfing cut into the cancel as well? There are places on this stamp that don't; but its not regular in nature. This is kinda like Oak Island...you only get a little info each week. :) Till tomorrow.
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Posted 02/12/2020   10:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Btw the 405a is a vertical pair imperforated horiz. Had to get off my backside to get my book for this one
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Posted 02/12/2020   10:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Now the key is this stamp must measure no less than 21.5 from tip of perf to tip of perf for the width.
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