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1 Cent Coil 1912 Washington Stamp

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Posted 02/12/2020   10:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Camp I just saw your problem, you gave the width. By now you know yoir too SHORT. You said it is 21. It can not be shorter than 21.5 for a flat plate. Just can't be. I suspect a reperf.
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Posted 02/12/2020   10:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add camp742 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
21.5 right on the button top of perf to top of perf. some perfs are a little torn higher than 21.5
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Posted 02/12/2020   10:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add camp742 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That 21 measurement was from the inside of the perf not the top of the perf. Bottom of the u to the bottom of the u was 21. from the top of the u or the top of the perf to the other top is 21.5 or slightly more than 21.5 due to the tearing (hinging), Does that help?
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Posted 02/12/2020   11:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is a certified Covel/Filstrup Privately perforated coil. It measures 12.67 on the Kiusalas scale and 11.75mm on a metric perf. gauge. It is 25.0mm straight edge to straight edge. It is probably made from a 409H coil. If you have a 408 Covel/Filstrup it must match these dimensions. If you have a 405a single cut from a pair, it would never certify as such and be regarded as a faked coil by trimming one or both edges. There were no perf. 12 Washington coils made by the bureau/POD. Even if it measures 25.0mm or perhaps a shade more/less from straight edge to straight edge it will be considered a faked coil made from a sheet stamp. There is no monetary reason to fake a coil that never was legitimately made. If it was made from an imperf. (408)the perf. will look too clean--compare them to any sheet stamp to see the difference.



Here is a verticle coil pair, perforated 11mm (11.73 on the Kiusalas scale). Its on a cover. There were also no perf. 11 Washingotn coils made. It was faked from a booklet pane cutting probably one edge.
Why some one made it--who knows. It would not fool a knowledgeable collector.



Past my bed time. Going to bed now.
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Edited by Al E. Gator - 02/13/2020 02:09 am
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Posted 02/13/2020   12:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add camp742 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply




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Posted 02/13/2020   06:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
camp742,
Your images are not high enough resolution to be useful. I sent you my email address, you can send me high resolution images and I will get them posted for you.
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Posted 02/13/2020   09:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add camp742 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
study

sent 4 emails with 600dpi. did you get them?

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Posted 02/13/2020   11:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, storm caused power outage. Received and uploading now
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Posted 02/13/2020   11:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Here are the files (cropped to show stamp) sent me



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Posted 02/13/2020   12:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It clearly shows what I was saying earlier in this thread but was told that it was the perspective of the photo. The line of perforations runs out dramatically from top to bottom on the left side. Is it a faked coil or are the perforation issues a feature of the Rossback perforating? I could not find any Covel/Filstrup covers with a 1912 cancel nor a Chicago cancel.
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Posted 02/13/2020   12:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

To illustrate what rogdcam is saying, the perfs are not parallel.



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Posted 02/13/2020   2:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add camp742 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Guess I should scratch out the 409 as well. :) Rossback did have serious issues on the 1918 issues. Couldn't find anything on 1912 issues. I guess my only question left is how this perf could have been faked by removing the original perf or using a imperforate and then substituting the 12 perf. The margin width (for a imperforate stamp)around the portrait would not have let the crooked perf on the left with as much white space at the 480 dimension. I could see at the 471 dimension that if this is a fake two things come to mind. 1, the dive into the portrait on the left side was to avoid the old perf if the stamp was perfed to begin with or 2, the original was a imperforate and the dirty stamp faker was cockeyed! I think all you guys that answered to my queries would be much better counterfeiters. Thks for all your help. Good forum!!!!
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Posted 02/13/2020   2:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mkfarm to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Tools of the trade, easy to do. Can't answer why that stamp. You would be amazed at how you can change the appearance of a stamp. Don't know why but a collecting interest of mine is fake stamps including the tools used.

You might find this website interesting.

http://www.slingshotvenus.com/stamps/fake508c.html
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