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Can Anyone Identify This Victorian Placename?

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Posted 03/19/2020   6:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add jimjamtwo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This one is driving me crazy. Although only the last few letters are visible and seem legible, I still haven't been able to figure out what they are. Can anyone identify this place on the basis of these few letters?



Thanks for looking!
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Posted 03/19/2020   6:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are you able to assist us, to assist you?
I need a suggested text string to search my database.
Using your Loupe, to flyspeck, would CEPRY be close? any further suggestions / options?
Why Victorian?
Any 3 letter string would help immensly.
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Edited by rod222 - 03/19/2020 6:07 pm
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Posted 03/19/2020   6:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do not collect this area of the world, but a few thoughts come to mind to help others solve the mystery.
1. Show us the entire cover. Most mail does not travel too far. The origin is likely closer to the destination than otherwise.
2. A scan or two with exaggerated exposure/contrast might be useful to show the faintest parts.

Yeah looks like it could end in CLERK or GERRY.
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Edited by John Becker - 03/19/2020 6:41 pm
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Posted 03/19/2020   6:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I used the two letter text strings CE and GE
Only remote results were
YANGERY and TAGGERTY
(Yangery may have been once used with a double R)

Clerk or Gerry no results (My database may not be exhaustive)

I may be able to search, using a letter count, if you can determine how many letters in the strike.
John's advice regarding the entire cover is useful.

*.GERRY
Gerrymberryn NSW
Goonengerry NSW

*.clerk
None in Australia (20,000 records)



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Edited by rod222 - 03/19/2020 6:50 pm
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Posted 03/19/2020   6:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, rod222, I always knew you were up for a challenge!

I didn't make any suggestions because I didn't want my guess (which failed to solve the problem) to influence anyone else's. However, my initial thought was the same as yours -that it was "CEPRY." By the way, unframed cds like this were only used in Victoria at the time (1912/13), so there's no point looking for a place in NSW. Yangery P.O. was not open at this time and Taggerty is too short and would not be symmetrical. I've tried every combination of three letters or more than I can think of without success, which is why I decided to bring the problem here.

John, the cover was addressed to Melbourne. It comes from a hoard of thousands of front covers addressed to Griffiths Brothers, who were the leading purveyors of tea, coffee and cocoa in Victoria at the time. Orders came in from all over the state, as well as places in NSW close to the Victorian border. There is nothing else on the cover that could help because it's a completely indecipherable numeral.

I will have a go at making a high contrast image later on today. However, in the past, I've never been able to do this successfully - perhaps because I don't have Photoshop.

There do seem to be two words and I can faintly see a Y at the end of the first. If this is the case it could be "Y CREEK." Unfortunately, there were 20+ post offices open at the time with names that would fit.
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Edited by jimjamtwo - 03/19/2020 7:06 pm
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Posted 03/19/2020   7:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod's Longshot.
Assuming :
?27 etc is a part smudge date, that suggests there is a 9 letter unframed postal strike.
If so, then the corollory follows, middle letter MUST be either a "C" or a "G"
It cannot be anything else.

A nine letter Victorian Postmark with a central "C" I cannot find existing.

A nine letter Victorian Postmark with a central "G" leaves only 1
GLENGARRY
8 Km NNE of Traralgon
Re named from a La Trobe R.S. as a PO on 1st December 1884
10 possible Hammer Varieties.
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Edited by rod222 - 03/19/2020 7:25 pm
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Posted 03/19/2020   7:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Glengarry PO
Bib: The Post Offices and Hand-Held Datestamps of Victoria.
Volume 2
Gary Watson, John Webster and David Wood
1992
ISBN 073167593 2 (set)
064612530 3
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Posted 03/19/2020   7:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
or something abbreviated without extra spacing like
...GE PRK
It's hard to separate the letters from the extraneous ink.
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Posted 03/19/2020   7:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Indeed,
the Aussie Post Offices generally had part leather countertops, to facilitate clear strikes of the postal hammers.
Even so, this strike has evidence of "hammer chatter" the strike was so forceful the hammer has jumped, leaving 2 smudged impressions.

If perchance this was indeed Glengarry, then around 1911, there was either a damaged Postal hammer, or a lost hammer, as there was a "RELIEF" hammer issued, that has a rating of RRRR


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Edited by rod222 - 03/19/2020 7:38 pm
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Posted 03/19/2020   7:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
retroReveal says:

Looks like there is a "K" in there (5th position)


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Posted 03/19/2020   7:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nice work! State revs. I envy that ability.
Could be a "Y" ?
Postmarks can send one around the twist.
I'm done here
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Posted 03/19/2020   7:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

Simply go to http://retroreveal.org/login and create an account.

Boom - you are an image expert!
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Posted 03/19/2020   7:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jimjamtwo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
StateRevs, you beat me to it! This is my effort:



It looks to me like the first word ends in Y. if the preceding letter is an N, then the name could be either FERNY CREEK or STONY CREEK. If it's a T, it's probably SLATY CREEK.

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Posted 03/20/2020   04:52 am  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Please post an image of the whole item.
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Posted 03/20/2020   07:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Victoria ending with "Creek" 256 Postmarks

Creek with preceding "Y"

Boggy Creek
Boy Creek
Brandy Creek
Breakaway Creek
Brushy Creek
Dry Creek
Ferny Creek
Fiery Creek
Fiery Creek P.G.F.
Flaggy Creek
Glenlofty Creek
Icy Creek
McKay Creek
Muddy Creek Bridge
Reedy Creek
Sandy Creek
Scrubby Creek
Shady Creek
Slaty Creek
Snowy Creek
Stony Creek
Stony Creek R.S.
Wallaby Creek
Mahogany Creek
Sandy Creek
Turkey Creek
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Posted 03/20/2020   08:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The cancel is not on the stamp.So what cancel is on the stamp ?
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