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Kazakhstan - Eco - 2 Issues - 2006

 
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Posted 04/16/2020   08:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add withdrawn to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi,

For the 3rd meeting of the ECO postal authorities in 2006, Kazakhstan amongst the other members issued a stamp.

In addition they issued the same stamp again with the overprint "ANKARA" on the middle right of the stamp, obviuosly in the Kazhakian language.

I have these questions:

1. Does anyone know why there was this second overprint issue ? I seeom to have heard once that on the stamp the venue location was given as Instanbul and therefore the corrected stamp with overprint since the meeting was in Ankara ?! Is that correct ?

2. On an online catalogue both stamps have an issue dat of 2006-09-15 which seems strange to me. Can anyone check a commercial catalogue for the issue dates of the two stamps and tell ?

Thank you
Dieter



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Posted 04/17/2020   02:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vicaf60 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1. Yes, it's correct. The meeting was trasnferred to Ankara, and a corrected (overprinted) stamp was issued. The initial stamp had a white text on the right sight that read "Turkey, Istanbul" (in Kazakh). On the corrected stamp, the second word (Istanbul) was overprinted with crosses.

2. The issue date for the corrected stamp is September 22

For stamps from the ex-USSR countries, including Kazakhstan, you can refer here: http://home.nestor.minsk.by/fsunews...6/index.html - it's quite a reliable source.
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Posted 04/17/2020   10:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add withdrawn to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@vicaf60

Thanks a lot for the answer. Much appreciated, the link you posted. On the specific topic I found also this link:

http://www.danstopicals.com/postal_authorities.htm

My only remaining question:

You say the meeting has been moved from Istanbul to Ankara ? Do you have a source for that. Meaning the meeting was originally indeed planned for Istanbul and the ECO postal authorities moved the meeting between 15th November and 21st November from Istanbul to Ankara ?
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Posted 04/17/2020   12:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add vicaf60 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
withdrawn#1073; it's entirely a logical conclusion on my side, as this theme (of the stamp in question) is not my cup of tea, and I do not know much (in fact, nothing) about the meeting itself.
However, Istanbul was originally stated on the stamp. Any stamps goes through several stages of checking before it is issued, so it would have been noticed if it contained such an error. It was not, and an overprinted stamp, with a changed place of venue, was issued. It can have the only logical explanation - the meeting was transferred to a different place.
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https://www.indianstampghar.com/tag...red-envelop/

This site states Kazakhstan just got it wrong.
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Sorry, but I can't agree with the 2 links posted (obviously, based on the same source of information, if any).

First, they are collector's opinions, just like ours, not an official or, at least, semi-official, source of information on the issue.

Second, they state the fact of the stamp re-issue with a corrected place of venue, and do not say anything concerning the reason. besides, they contain an error in themselves (rather misprint, I would suppose)/ The state; The stamp was withdrawn and reissued on October 15, 2007 with "Istanbul" obliterated and "Ankara" overprinted in gold, while the actual issue date for the overprinted stamp was October 22, 2006.

Third, and most important, the original stamp contained the name of the city, Istanbul, and the planned dates for the meeting - September 20-22, while tha actual dates were September 19-21. Again an error? Don't you thing the number of errors is too big for one stamp.

Possibly, it was connected in some way with the spread of H5N1 virus at that time, but I can't be sure - I use logic, not facts in my conclusions.
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So, two collectors that look into the issue get it wrong, but your speculation must be right.

You should look at the Pakistan stamp. It did not even get the issuing country correct.
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Quote:
I use logic, not facts in my conclusions.


If it was me, I'd re-phrase that.
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@vicaf60

You are surely right, that usually a quality control is applied before stamps are being issued. Nonetheless there are many examples of stamps with more or less obvious errors which have been issued. Human error is always possible regardless of the number of controls applied. Of course given all stamps in all countries ever issued the number is quite small. But their number is nonetheless in the hundreds, possibly thousands.

In the link you will find examples of stamps of postal issues withdrawn due to errors or at least new stamps being issued with corrections. A lot of stamps have just been "left as is", namely the error just accepted after issue. It affects many countries' stamps, regardless of whether one would perceive a postal authority to be more effective or less effective.

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