What's The Difference Between NF 11A And NF 3

I have two triangular stamps from Newfoundland that look identical. But one is marked NF #3 and the other NF #11a. How can you tell the difference and what's the value of each? Thanks for your help.
Fylbrig

fylbrig413

It is in the colour..very hard to tell at times as oxidation sets in..
Below is a fairly good write up on the 3 and 11a.



Robert

You can send Malcolm your questions at BNAPS study group and maybe he could give you more detailed information...Scroll down to the Newfoundland study group.
http://www.bnaps.org/study.php

According to the Unitrade catalogue, Number 3 is on a paper with a distinct mesh structure, while 11A does not have a mesh structure.

Looking at the illustrations in Unitrade, neither of yours appears to be a yellow green (number 3).

Also the information given by Robert above is not entirely correct, as both are engraved (not lithographed.)

Jan

Correct..Did not read details as this web site was only 95% accurate.

Below is both your stamps with obvious colour differences.



There are 2 different colours associated with the Scott 3 and Scott 11a
Here are accurate information gathered from "Library and Archives Canada" web site.

The measurements for the 11a are for a sheet of 80.

Gibbons lists the 1857 stamp (yellowish green) as being on thick machine made paper with a distinct mesh

The 1860 version (green to deep green) is on hand made paper without a mesh.

If you can detect a mesh that may be your best guide as has been pointed out colours are not that reliable

AQ

This is a common question, and quick answer is : it is very difficult to determine. Some info which may help you:

The stamp referred to in Unitrade/Scott as #3: It was an Engraved stamp without any watermark issued in 1857 to 1861 (when #11 came into life). Its denomination was 3 Pence. Specifically the paper (which can be key) was white, soft, thick and shows a CROSS-WIRE mesh. The reverse has green ink flecks. Additionally, my understanding from NSSC is that this issue has a Die I which is that the "3" in the corner is different. Specifically, the left "3" has a noticeable left slant. Where as Die II the "3" is upright. Also Die I the "A" in Postage has a right upward tip, Die II is flat.

The #11 has both Die I and Die II versions. It was issued in 1861. Engraved. Paper is dull white, dense and has a crisp snap, with NO MESH. No green ink flecks on reverse. Occasionally there is a STACEY WISE 1858 watermark, but rare.


Color wise there are differences but given time, oxidation and human eyes, this is harder to be definitive.

To add to the discussion, apologies for oversharing, but here are two of my covers--with #3 and #11 in use.

#3 is the 1861 Fogo cover

#11A is Harbour Grace 1868

Here is #3