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Austria First Issue. My Take On Paper, Types, Cancels.

 
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Posted 04/26/2020   1:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add danko to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have a couple of dozens of Austria first issue stamps to go through, and would like to ask for your help confirming my results.

Here it the first one - 1K. Probably the toughest one.

This one I believe to be Scott 1. First issue, type I, yellow. Cancelled in Vienna.

Original image (looks much more detailed than in person and less yellow)


Enhanced image


Gray Scale
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Posted 04/26/2020   1:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the second 1k stamp.

This one I believe to be Scott 1b. First print, Type I, orange. Also cancelled in Vienna.

Original image


Enhanced Image


Grayscale



What really bothers me is the difference in the shape and position of "1". Also, the paper looks different from the back. The first stamp looks smooth from the back, but the second one looks like it has a grid, even more pronounced in watermark fluid.

So I assume I misidentified one of the stamps.

First on the left, second on the right. 9k blue Type III above Sorry image got rotated when uploaded. First stamp top left, second stamp bottom left, 9K on the right (shows same grid pattern) as the second stamp.
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Posted 04/26/2020   1:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is the third one. Unfortunately I cannot find this stamp in my collection anymore (probably sold it when I needed money when we moved to Florida)

I believe this is to be Scott 1c? Cancelled in Budapest (Pesth), Hungary.

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Posted 04/26/2020   1:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm heaving a suspicion that my first and third stamps are Type III on machine made paper. Scot 1d and 1g.
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Here is the 2 K stamps.

The first one is easy. Second issue, Type III. Cancelled in ViennaI believe Interesting cancel, would like to here more about it.






This one is a little tougher. I think it is Type I, but there is a little bit of white in the line around shield. The "2" it touching the tablet frame line, unlike the first stamp. Have no idea about the cancel. I think I see Wien (Vienna).






This one looks easy.

Lombardy-Venetia, first issue, Type I. Cancelled in Milan. Interesting brake in tablet frame line right above "1" in "10".


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Here is the 3k stamp. This one is tough as both Type I and Type III can be on machine made paper.

First one is deferentially Type I. I believe it is a hand-made paper (first issue). Cancelled Vienna? There is actually a watermark, so definitely first print.





This one I'm not sure. Probably Type I and probably on machine made paper. Cancelled Vienna.




This one also not sure about. Possibly Type I on hand made paper. Nice Belgrade (Serbia) cancel.




And the last for presumed Type I.

Possibly a Type I on hand made paper. Cannot make out the cancel, Rotze.....?


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These I believe are all Type III.

Beautiful copy with a hansom Leobersdorf (Austria) cancel.




Malacky (Malaczka), Slovakia.




Nagykanizsa? (Nagy-Kanizsa?), Hungary




Bohm:Ka???? Don't know where that is. Bohm:Kamnitz which is Bohemian Kamnitz which is Ceska Kamenice (Czechia)




This one I'm not sure of Type I or Type III. Looks like Type III, but the paper is similar to hand made. Cancelled in Prague (Prag), Czechia I believe.


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Back at it.

The last of reds, Lombardy-Venetia
This one is definitely a Type I on hand-made paper. Thick line straight 5, missing lower leg of second K, watermarked paper. Cancel Bergamo?




I think this one is Type III on handmade-paper. Cancel Venezia (Venice).




THe last two I believe Type III on machine made paper. Shades salmon and red. Cancels Milano?, Bergamo?





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Posted 04/26/2020   6:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Next the Browns.

This is Type I on hand-made paper. Cancelled ...PESC...? or ...RESC..?




Next two are Type III on machine made paper though the first one is a bit too rough for machine paper and looks more like hand made. Cancelled Vienna and Prague??





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Posted 04/26/2020   7:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Lombardy-Venetia 30 cent brown.

Type I hand made paper. Cancel ...ARCARIA..?




Next three are all Type III. First two look like machine made paper, but the last one looks like hand made, but since no Type III on hand made, mast be machine made too. Cancels:

First - too smudged.
Second - ...EBONA?
Third - ...TREVIS..?






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Posted 04/26/2020   9:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And last but not least the Blues.

Let start with Lombardy-Venetia.

First two are Type I, hand made paper. Second stamp has watermark. Both cancelled in Milan.






This one is a bit tough.
I think it is Type II. The paper should be hand made, but it is actually looks like machine made, so maybe Type III then. Cancel ???




This last one is Type III on machine made paper. Cancel ???


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Posted 04/26/2020   9:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
9 k blue.

All of my 9k examples appear to be Type III. 5 out of 7 looks like hand-made paper, which is probably incorrect. Which means I still cannot figure out the difference between the two.

These first two I think are Type III on machine made paper. Cancels
First - not much shown. Maybe Vienna.
Second - Weidhofen?






Next 5 looks like Type III, but on hand made paper, which is probably wrong. Cancels:

First - Vienna.
Second - likely Vienna (have one with 1M for Vienna)
Third - Insbruck - place of 1964 winter olympics. Have many many stamps featuring this event.
Forth - Prague (Czechia)
Fifth - An interesting one. Looks like Kronstadt. There is a Kronstadt in St. Petersburg Russia, but I think this is not the one. There is also Brasov in Romania which was called Kronstadt in German, so this is most likely it.












This is all Folks.
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Posted 04/26/2020   9:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Greaden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Bohm:Ka???? Don't know where that is."

Could it be Bohmisch Kamnitz/Ceska Kamenice?
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Posted 04/26/2020   9:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yap,

That was it.
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