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US Revenue R27c Double Transfer All Over - Potential Value?

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Posted 05/05/2020   06:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add souldjer777 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Good Morning Everyone,

My last post was met with more than a little feedback. I'm hoping this one is more straight forward. I have a US R27C that has a double transfer that covers the left, right, top and bottom - so the entire stamp.

For clarity's sake - I have gone ahead and used arrows this time for some of the doubling.



What potentially could a R27C with double transfer all over be worth?

Hoping that I have all my ducks in a row with the data from Scott's Cat here:

R27 R3 5c Inland Exchange, red

c. Perf.
"Double transfer at top $27.50"
"Double transfer at bottom - "
"Double transfer at left and right $60"

E. As No. R27c, double impression -"

Thanks

UPDATED:Per revcollector feedback
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Edited by souldjer777 - 05/05/2020 08:36 am

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Posted 05/05/2020   07:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is a double transfer, not a double impression. But it is a relatively small one on a stamp type that has many different varieties of double transfers. Still a nice stamp to have.
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Posted 05/05/2020   08:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add souldjer777 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you revcollector for the feedback. Sorry, I get the terms confused. A rough estimate would suffice if you have one please.

Since I have your attention - Is this R24C an example of a double transfer or triple transfer?

US Revenue - 5c Certificate - R24C - Double or triple transfer?



Hoping I don't have to use arrows on this image.
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Edited by souldjer777 - 05/05/2020 08:41 am
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Posted 05/05/2020   08:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Neither. Just a poor muddy impression from a well used plate.
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Posted 05/05/2020   7:50 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would classify the original stamp as one of the "DT at bottom" varieties, and as Bart mentions there are a ton of them on R27c, some more dramatic than others in the doubling. I would call the example shown "moderate doubling". I'm not sure the marks referenced at the top are necessarily DT-related.

Here is an example of "DT at bottom" with more extreme doubling:



Certain plates have multiple examples in close proximity, with varying levels of doubling:





The "DT at top" and "DT at left and right" are the most dramatic of the R27 DTs.


"DT at Left and Right":






Two examples of "DT at Top" (actually top, left, and right, but referred to as "DT at Top" to differentiate from the example above that does not show doubling at the top, only left and right):



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Edited by revenuecollector - 05/05/2020 7:55 pm
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Posted 05/05/2020   9:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I also have a block of 6 where 5 positions have double transfers.
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Posted 05/07/2020   10:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Early revenues sure are fertile ground for some neat double transfers.
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Posted 05/07/2020   4:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add souldjer777 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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revcollector Posted - 05/05/2020 : 08:53 am Neither. Just a poor muddy impression from a well used plate.


I hope I'm not offending you revcollector, but I'm not taking your advice. I know it's a double transfer. I was asking if it was double or triple.

Take "FIVE" twice. Triple could be the mud.

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Posted 05/07/2020   5:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I choose option C: Single transfer
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Posted 05/07/2020   6:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think it's all the mud, not double or triple.
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Posted 05/07/2020   6:34 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The diagnostics do not match any of the reported R24c double transfers:

https://revenue-collector.com/platevarieties.shtml

That doesn't mean it isn't one, but there would need to be a confirming example. Also, due to the nature of the muddy impression, I agree with Bart that it doesn't appear to be a double transfer, at least not to me.
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Posted 05/07/2020   9:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not a double or triple transfer expert, but you made this comment:


Quote:
I know it's a double transfer.


Do you have a certificate or some other information you can share? I've had lots of things where the Community has helped me to see what it really is. I've also got quite a few of the "muddy" prints that sometimes look like small areas are double. But ... not really.
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Posted 05/08/2020   09:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add souldjer777 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You're right Partime, time to bail on the forums and just get things certified. I went on a small tirade of posts after the comments received on my E11 double transfer. Understandable comments. But most replies were not helpful or constructive. Opinions, trolling and comments without insight doesn't get us anywhere. Just folks dialing up their forum post numbers I guess.

Bottom line is your right - get the certifications and stop them in their tracks.
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Posted 05/08/2020   10:18 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow. Just wow.
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Posted 05/08/2020   10:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Opinions, trolling and comments without insight"

I don't know exactly who you think have been doing this (besides you), but most of the people who have posted on your threads have decades of experience. Some have helped the Philatelic Foundation in expertising revenues from time to time. So I suggest that you spend less time feeling picked on or patting yourself on the back for your "expertise", and spend it learning what is needed to understand these issues.
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Good luck flying solo.
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