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Posted 05/10/2020   04:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rb6179 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Its on soft, buff colored paper, very rough texture. Perf 11-1/2 , no gum. I have not attempted to see if it has a watermark. Kind of afraid of damaging the stamp.
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Posted 05/10/2020   04:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cursus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I seem to see something like "BR" in the central ovale plus "Nationale des...". Perhaps is from Brussels in Belgium...
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Posted 05/10/2020   05:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Brussels. At top of the oval, it looks like it ends on & Cie. The text at bottom looks like "nationale res cives."
The banner held by the lions starts with "timbre."

Maybe it is a tax - revenue - stamp or lawyer's seal.
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Edited by NSK - 05/10/2020 05:13 am
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Posted 05/10/2020   05:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 05/10/2020   06:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Although many things point at Belgium and Brussels, what intrigues me is that its French spelling is Bruxelles.

The banner may read "timbre prime." It could be a customer loyalty stamp; i.e., the type you get when buying a product or spending an amount and that gives you a discount or present if you have a booklet full of stamps.
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Posted 05/10/2020   06:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cursus to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, in Flemish ( the other language of Belgium and Brusel's up to early XXth century) is "Brussel". The city and its region are bilingual French (Vallon) - Flemish. On the Frech dialect (Vallon) spoken in Belgium it's Brussèle (see wikpedia). So, plenty of room!
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Posted 05/10/2020   07:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Timbre prime - primé - points at French. Dutch - the official Belgian languages are French, Dutch and German - is becoming more prominent in Belgium. It was not in the past and certainly not in Brussels. French was in common use until the early 20th century even in the Netherlands among the upper class. The use of French in the Dutch community was common. The use of Dutch in the French community was absolutely unthinkable.

It would be strange to use French, but use the Dutch spelling of the city's name. But I cannot rule it out. Brussel seems too short to fit the printing. The use of local dialect cannot be ruled out, but is not very likely if the stamp is as old as it seems. I would not even be sure the second letter is an R. It could be an A but looks like a reversed R. Also the letter after "us" seems too straight at top to be an s.
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Posted 05/10/2020   08:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I found on google the translation of "timbre-prime"= sticker(vignette) issued when certain products are sold and which, collected by consumers, can be exchanged for goods or money.(Larousse dictionary)
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Posted 05/10/2020   09:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Perf 11-1/2


Could you please show an full image of the entire item? Thanks.
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Posted 05/10/2020   8:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jleb1979 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Across the bottom, is that "nationale des caves"?

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Posted 05/10/2020   9:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EMaxim to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I thought the same. And are the letters before that "SO" for "Société"? Hence a timbre prime for a purchase of wine? (Is there no Belgian on this forum?)
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Posted 05/11/2020   02:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nationale res (from res-publica?) cives (latin for cities?)
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Posted 05/11/2020   07:24 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Société nationale des caves" is quite possibly what it reads at the bottom.
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Posted 05/11/2020   09:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"timbre - prime" . stamp used to get a bonus
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Posted 05/11/2020   09:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Willwood42 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would think of equal interest is the company name across the top of the lozenge. Appears to be something like "J Jacques Lotte & Co" or "J Jacques Latte & Co" possibly not "Jacques "
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Posted 05/11/2020   11:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
j. forge?otte & cie.
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