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Posted 05/26/2020   11:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Hal to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Help please. Is this a Sc# 7 on cover? Could someone identify the Type & Plate?
The stamp:


Is this a shifted transfer --> at back of head, along the hairline, or is it just optics caused by inking?

The stamp is tied to this cover by a black LEBANON, Penn MAY 20 (1855) cds:


Thanks in advance for your help and assistance.
Hal
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Posted 05/26/2020   11:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ty IV, #9 Pos 6L1L.
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Posted 05/27/2020   08:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Regarding whether there is evidence of re-entry here, the answer is yes. The top right shows some such evidence, and possibly other areas as well.

Plate 1-Late is a re-entered plate. In mid 1852, the original plate (1) was re-entered and all but one position was recut. As such, there are many double transfers and remnants of original entries.

Here is Ashbrook's drawing of this position.
It was recut twice at bottom only.

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Posted 05/27/2020   08:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
TX, may I ask what you are using to see the detail? I enlarge the image and it gets too fuzzy to see the details.
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Posted 05/27/2020   09:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree txstamp.
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Posted 05/27/2020   10:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
TX...THANK YOU!! very much to all for your help, ID of Sc#9 (vs #7) and understanding of what I am seeing on the plating of this stamp and the re-entry.

Stay safe, everyone!
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Posted 05/27/2020   10:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stallzer, one can see from the original post that 1) the stamp is recut twice at bottom hence #9, Plate 1 Late; 2) it is Relief T, hence top row. The plating marks in the reverse C-shaped ornament are also visible in the original photo, identifying the position as 6L.
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Posted 05/27/2020   10:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stallzer - you are right that the image might be difficult to plate from, however, this one is actually quite easy.

First - its a modified T relief, which means top row Plate 1,2,3.

Second - its recut at bottom, so its Plate 1-Late.

Third - The modified T relief on 1L is 1-10L, and 1R, 2R. 1R and 2R are easy to eliminate so its clearly top row left pane 1L.

Fourth - The big dot between ornament F and G is a dead giveaway. That narrows it to position 3L1L or 6L1L. The orientation of the dot points only at 6L1L. Also, I can see some of the doubling at top right by ornament Z.

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Posted 05/27/2020   11:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all the additional info and insights!!
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Posted 05/27/2020   5:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks TX and Dudley for the explanation. The lines did not look thick enough to me to be recut so I was actually leaning towards a type II. Shows how much I have to learn on this issue.
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Posted 05/27/2020   9:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Hal to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Classics are not my area - that is why I am never afraid to ask & I love to learn something new daily.
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