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Is This A Scott 24 Type VA?

 
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Posted 07/30/2020   12:09 pm  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add orstampman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,

I have this Scott 24, which I think may be a type Va, since it has no cut-away lines and seems to have more of the right-side detail. I am requesting to have descriptive critical input on this stamp, if anyone is willing.

Thanks in advance.

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Posted 07/30/2020   12:14 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is Type V, Scott #24 from a top row position of either Plate 7 or 8.
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Posted 07/30/2020   12:25 pm  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, Sinclair, for your quick response. Most of the 24's I have seen have the scratch marks on the right, and this one has none (that I can see). How much of the right ornaments and detail are needed to classify this as a Type Va? Or is it a Type Va based on some different criteria?
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Posted 07/30/2020   12:30 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A top row type VA has complete side ornaments on the right side.
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Posted 07/30/2020   12:37 pm  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you, Sinclair!
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Posted 07/30/2020   12:54 pm  Show Profile Check jamesg's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jamesg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Why does the seller think this is a #22 instead of #19 since it has the scratch under "U" of a 19? If so, how can you tell and where is this variety mentioned.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-22-Type...LH_Auction=1




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Posted 07/30/2020   1:33 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just going from memory here but you should be able to find that relief flaw on some 22 separate F-relief positions that are not Type Ia. None of the sixth row F-relief positions are Type Ia, most are Type IIIa with just a few Type Ic.
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Edited by sinclair2010 - 07/31/2020 11:38 am
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Posted 07/30/2020   1:37 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You can see the sixth row guide dots on both of the stamps in the pair if you wanted a quick and dirty way to tell if it is a sixth or tenth row stamp.

Edit:. Not that that is unclear with these stamps!
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Edited by sinclair2010 - 07/30/2020 1:39 pm
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Posted 07/30/2020   1:46 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is what top row Type Va stamps look like. An old favorite of mine...

Nevermind, having problems getting the image loaded
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Edited by sinclair2010 - 07/30/2020 1:48 pm
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Posted 07/30/2020   2:03 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Success!!!

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Edited by sinclair2010 - 07/30/2020 2:04 pm
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Posted 07/30/2020   7:22 pm  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ahh, I see Sinclair2010, at the bottom right the ornament/scrollwork is more complete than on my stamp. At the top right, however, the design is still quite reduced.

Thank you for posting the image!
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jamesg, sinclair's memory as always is right on. The flaw under U is a necessary but not sufficient condition for identifying Scott #19 from Plate 4. The flaw identifies a stamp only as relief F. It could be either Scott #19 (bottom row of plate) or Scott #21/22 (sixth row of plate).
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Posted 07/31/2020   08:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dudley to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
orstampman, not all Type V stamps have side scratches (only Reliefs B, C and D have them). In the final analysis Type Va stamps are identified by plate position (as determined by Ashbrook and Neinken), but in general the best visual cue is the complete reverse C-shaped ornament at lower right, as seen in sinclair's strip.
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Posted 07/31/2020   09:53 am  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Dudley, for the extra information. I was aware of this at least being Scott 24 (Type V), but was unclear on the Va characteristics.
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Posted 07/31/2020   11:37 am  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I did just notice a typo in my post. Most sixth row stamps from Plate 4 are Type IIIa, not Type III. I will fix that now if I can.
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