Stamp Community Family of Web Sites
Thousands of stamps, consistently graded, competitively priced and hundreds of in-depth blog posts to read
Stamp Community Forum
 
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

Welcome Guest! Need help? Got a question? Inherit some stamps?
Our stamp forum is completely free! Register Now!

The Most Useless "Certificate Of Authenticity," Ever

Next Page    
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 16 / Views: 817Next Topic
Page: of 2
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1592 Posts
Posted 08/06/2020   10:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add James Drummond to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
A "Certificate of Authenticity" for a test stamp that catalogs a quarter.

Jim

https://www.ebay.com/itm/U-S-Postal...AOSwzZtfIhXW

Send note to Staff

Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
4938 Posts
Posted 08/06/2020   10:55 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty much any dealer "certificate of authenticity" is worthless, unless they are a known expert in the specialty in question. Even then, without a photo on the cert so you know which stamp it corresponded to, it means nothing.

Similarly, so-called certificates of guarantee or warranty from dealers are only as useful as they are willing to provide compensation in the event of an adverse opinion, and in most cases do not survive the dealer/business.

In both cases, IMO useless.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
4661 Posts
Posted 08/06/2020   11:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
$7.50? Looks like puffery aimed at new collectors.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Moderator
Learn More...
8488 Posts
Posted 08/06/2020   11:24 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
'Signed' by
Nick Bruyer
Philatelic Authority

Anyone know him? A quick online search appears to show him as Founder, CEO and Chairman of Asset Marketing Services, Inc (http://www.amsi-corp.com/).
Don
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
836 Posts
Posted 08/06/2020   3:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
But he's a "philatelic authority". I just wonder if his signature is authentic. Or is it . . . a fake? Hmmm . . . .
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by DrewM - 08/06/2020 5:50 pm
Valued Member
United States
152 Posts
Posted 08/08/2020   09:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rich60 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Reminds of the JH Stolow "certificates". I kept the best one I have come across just for the memories.

Rich
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
7013 Posts
Posted 08/08/2020   09:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Such as it is, at least this one is accurate. I suspect that most of us have seen far worse inaccurate "certificates".
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
4938 Posts
Posted 08/08/2020   09:55 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:

Dan's Certificate of Authenticity

Yep. It's a stamp.



$29.95 with any purchase. Git 'em while they're hot!







Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
4906 Posts
Posted 08/08/2020   11:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This really is not a bad idea .

It teach and shows new people that buying something philatelic that they know nothing about ,it is good to have a certificate . This eBay offer is gear to newbies . It also teach that there are experts about stamps .


I fail to see the negative side to getting new people interested in stamps and feeling good about having a real certificate ,that appears to be correct .

Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
United States
4661 Posts
Posted 08/08/2020   12:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't believe this seller intends to be educational. He is preying on inexperience.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
2400 Posts
Posted 08/08/2020   12:52 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"I fail to see the negative side to getting new people interested in stamps and feeling good about having a real certificate ,that appears to be correct ."
While this "cert" is correct, it is very bad for new people to rely on such faux-certs.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
7013 Posts
Posted 08/08/2020   1:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can't second that strongly enough. This one happens to be correct, but the vast majority of "certificates of authenticity" not issued by one of the recognized legitimate philatelic groups are not only worthless but wrong. They are used to prey on the less knowledgeable collectors among us. It's just another form of fraud.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
1413 Posts
Posted 08/10/2020   09:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Climber Steve to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have my opinion already formed about this ad that appears in the current collections list from Dr. Bob Friedman. Interested in what you have to say.

"Newfoundland, the rare used #15 one shilling. Previously sold in 2003 by a prestigious Canadian company for $2,950 Canadian. The description stated, 'Perhaps 4-5 remain. A GREAT RARITY.' Further described: 'Margins close to cutting with small tear at right.' 2017 Scott $12,500. The Saskatoon Stamp Center guarantee of authenticity is included. NET: $1,995."

The stamp seems to be accurately described. The Saskatoon Stamp Center is a well known company, among BNA collectors, and has been around for many years. Again, your thoughts?
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Edited by Climber Steve - 08/10/2020 09:40 am
Pillar Of The Community
Learn More...
4925 Posts
Posted 08/10/2020   10:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To me it is like a car dealership issuing their own certificate stating that a pre-owned automobile has a clean background. It may very well be so but they have a vested interest in a positive outcome. A stamp dealer issued certificate is nothing more than a marketing gimmick.
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
4906 Posts
Posted 08/10/2020   11:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"A marketing gimmick " because it works ,for some people . Same as a car dealer who say they did a 21 point inspection ----- It works !
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Pillar Of The Community
United States
4906 Posts
Posted 08/10/2020   12:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Steve -----Sounds like everything that Dr. Bob says is true . I see nothing wrong in his statement ,but the price I would be willing to pay .


There is a stamp auction lot right now that I am looking at and plan to bid ,it is for a very rare high value stamp but it is defective ,I have a limit to what I am will to pay much like your posting above but the percentage is a lot less than your example. What Dr. Bob is trying to get is too high for me .
Send note to Staff  Go to Top of Page
Page: of 2 Previous TopicReplies: 16 / Views: 817Next Topic  
Next Page
 
To participate in the forum you must log in or register.


Go to Top of Page
Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Stamp Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2020 Stamp Community Family - All rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Stamp Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Privacy Policy / Terms of Use    Advertise Here
Stamp Community Forum © 2007 - 2020 Stamp Community Forums
It took 1.23 seconds to lick this stamp. Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000 Version 3.4.05