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Canada
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Posted 01/13/2012   10:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's hard to tell from the scan. If the lines are sharp and
raised then it's engraved.

The difference in value is quite a bit.
According to the 2001 ANK which was still in Schilling
the lithography print was listed as 11,500AS used
while the copper engraved was only 375AS

Using the old conversion rate it works out to roughly US$1060 for the litho and US$35 for the copper engraved.

Are there any depressions on the back of the stamp. If so
then it's probably engraved but this much more noticeable on a mint stamp compared to one which has been soaked.
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United States
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Posted 01/13/2012   11:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Then it's definitely Engraved......

I'll try and check a little closer, thanks for the information as I would have never known.
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Posted 01/13/2012   11:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In case you have more to check here is the section from the Austria Netto Katalog showing first the 1873 Steindruck which translates as Stone Lithography

And below it the 1874/75 Kupferdruck = Copper engraving.

Keep in mind these 2001 prices where still in Austrian Schilling not Euros.





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Israel
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Posted 01/14/2012   02:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Seahorse to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The First set Israel issued had no country name on it. On all Israeli stamps, counting from the second set until today, Israel's name appears in all three official languages of the state: Hebrew, Arabic and English. Here's an example:





However, the first set was printed prior to the declaration of independence when the leaders of the state to be were still debating over the future name of the country. Some suggested to call it Judea - the last remaining tribe of the original 12 that lived on the land 2,500 years ago (except the tribe of Levi which was a tribe of priests which had no territory. Descendants of this this tribe are distinguished by their family names. In fact all Levi and Cohen you might know belong to it).
After this tribe (Judea that is) we are called in Hebrew Ye-hu-dim which translates into Judeans. And by the way, 'Judeans' is the etymological source to the way we are called in your language - Jews.
There were also other suggestions, but all that did not change the dilemma the printer had. Eventually a decision was made and the first stamps bear the inscription "Do-ar Ivri" which translates into "Hebrew Post". 'Hebrew' in this case does not refer to the language but to one of the nation's ancient names - during the 1st temple era we called ourselves "Hebrews" (which deserves another explanation - but not on this thread I'm afraid).

So here's the key value of the first set with "Doar Ivri" and without 'Israel' on it. Since we write from right to left the order of the words is different from what you expect (thus the arrows).


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Posted 08/14/2018   11:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampfan9 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Crown Prince Rupprecht of Bavaria. Too bad the stamp is damaged.


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Lebanon
25th November 2020
4th Arab Economic and Social Development Summit, Beirut

Lebanon's contribution to the thread which, up to this point, could be called the "No Country For Old Stamps" thread (sorry!):



It would appear that the national flag is regarded by Liban Post as sufficient to indicate the country name, even though the UPU "requires" countries (except GB) to show the name of the issuing country in Latin letters. Not a rigorously enforced rule, it would appear, as at least one other country in the same part of the world routinely omits the country name (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia) and instead uses the national emblem of palm tree and crossed swords:

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Posted 12/09/2020   06:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dianne Earl to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great thread, It helped me identify a few of my mysteries.

Dianne
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Posted 12/25/2020   5:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add erilaz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod posted this ten years ago, on the first page of the thread, but it does in fact have the country's name on it. The four letters at top center are H.S.Kh.H., an abbreviation of Haykakan Sots'ialistakan Khorhrdayin Hanrapetut'yun, an early version of the name of the Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic, in which the words for "Soviet" and "Socialist" were switched around.
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Posted 12/25/2020   6:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Roberto59 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello.
In this series the stamps that I have framed in red do not have the name of the country, they have the name of the painter.
Regards.

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Australia
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Posted 12/25/2020   7:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
but it does in fact have the country's name on it.


Thanks Erilaz, I had never noticed that

I was familiar with "Orphan Stamps" for those without country name,
yet not seen Googling, strange, that term must have disappeared.
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