Italian Overprints Redux - Not Sure Why Yesterday's Post Was Empty

Observations and a few questions about some overprints of Italian stamps



Row 1. Does anybody have any idea what these are
There is this short thread from 2012, maybe in the last eight years somebody knows more
https://www.stampcommunity.org/topi...PIC_ID=27751

Row 2. Yugoslavia, Ljubljana(Laibach) German occupation Scott NJ18, N49 & N43

Row 3. German occupation of Zadar or Zara (I have been to Zadar). There is a thread on these stamps https://goscf.com/t/7743
The 15c definitely looks to be a forgery, but I am not sure about the 10c

Row 4. Committee of National Liberation overprint for the city of Arona. I find these on ebay and there was a thread where Rod posted a picture of one, that I can no longer find. Not listed in Scott but they are in Sassone which I don't have, but might get.

Row 5. I assume these are either late WWII or postwar but can find nothing about them. Possibly printed before the AMG-FTT overprints

Row 6. There is this thread where Rod posts a picture of of a canceled cover (probably a favor cancel) but later in the thread someone writes that it was unissued
https://goscf.com/t/60840

Hello,

It is a private overprint on stamps of the series Democratica that were issued in 1945.The overprint depicts the hat of the Bersaglieri,an infantry corps of the Italian Army,under the hat there is almost surely the coat of arms of Trieste.The overprint most likely refers to the period of the Allied Military Government of Trieste,AMG-VG/AMG-FTT.Also,the Bersaglieri were the first to enter Trieste when it was returned to Italy in 1954.

row 4.These stamps are local issues and there are many forgeries of these overprints.
The are 2 issues of the 30 c.,yours can be the Sassone nr 17,the rare one, if the overprint is on the Sassone nr.506 without the watermark and it is worth hundred of euros(i don't have the catalogue at hand),or the Sassone nr 5,the common one,if the overprint is on the Sassone nr. 498 watermarked with the crown.They were issued in 1945.
CLN https://www.ibolli.it/cat/locali/cln/cln.php

row 5.These stamps were issued on June 1945 during the brief yugoslavian occupation of Trieste before the AMG-VG.
The are 2 issues of the 1 Lira,yours can be the Sassone nr 12,the rare one,if the oveprint is on the Sassone nr. 498 watermarked with the crown and it is worth hundreds of euros,or the Sassone nr.3,the common one,if the overprint is on the Sassone nr 506 without the watermark.As you can see it is the opposite of the local issues.
TRIESTE https://www.ibolli.it/cat/occupazio...oslavia.php#

row 6.This stamp is the Sassone nr. 24 and it was issued.There are many forgeries.
ISTRIA https://www.ibolli.it/cat/occupazio...oslavia.php#

Hello alka2,
Welcome to the forum and thank you for the valuable information all of the stamps, particularly the ones in Row 1. I have the complete set of the CLN Arona issue and I had a feeling these and some of the other overprints might be forgeries. These stamps came from a mixed lot with some better, but I usually start with the assumption that I do not have the rare stamp or if forgeries exist they are what I have until proven otherwise. I will follow your links and see if I can learn something. It is nice that Google will sort of translate the page and I won't need to learn Italian

What a fortuitous initiation, this being my very first post to the group.

The Bersaglieri Overprints.
In 2019 I responded to one of our member's (Allied Military Government Collectors Club) queries in relation to these overprints as follows.
The overprints are private commemoratives overprinted to honor a group of Italian Soldiers called the 'Bersaglieri' (snipers).
You can get an idea of what they were about via the following article: https://www.orderisda.org/culture/i...itary-group/
There's also a Wikipedia article located at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bersaglieri
Joe Bush, an AMG specialist dealer intimated that the overprint relate to a secret Italian Trieste coat of arms and that they were used on 'underground' mail. I don't think so. I believe they were merely a fabrication to commemorate this genuine force.
I have a travelled cover, supposedly from Trieste to Rome, though there's no way of validating the point of departure.
My cover clearly has an arrival date of April 1947, so it supposedly did it's job later than the departure markings suggest.

Regards Carl
President: Allied Military Government Collectors Club
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