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Posted 11/11/2020   8:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add danko to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This one is a little odd. Resembles Scott 78 from 1878 issue, but much cruder and in wrong color. Looks like perforation was done manually. Printing in English on the back of the stamp.

My first guess is a cut out from stationary.
My second guess - very crude forgery.

Can anybody confirm this?

Would be great to see an entire card/envelop if it is a stationary.



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Posted 11/11/2020   8:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very strange, but interesting.
Facsimile perhaps?

Emperor Dom Pedro 300r shown here

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Edited by rod222 - 11/11/2020 8:48 pm
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Posted 11/11/2020   10:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add billsey to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I just dug through my latest RHM catalog and see nothing that matches better than the 1878 issue Rod222 illustrates here. Although there are numerous postal cards and postal reply cards with Don Pedro II, there are none with that design and none with that high denomination. The postal stationery of the era also has examples with DP2 designs, they are all embossed, uncolored vignettes. I also looked through the section on philatelic exposition printings and nothing there shows the same or similar design. Looks like it's a fantasy to me...
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Posted 11/11/2020   11:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is Scott 78 I was referring to.

If someone was trying to forge it, they did a lot of work to match the design but got the colors all wrong? Unlikely right?

So maybe it is a fantasy of some sort.

Neat.



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Edited by danko - 11/11/2020 11:51 pm
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Posted 11/11/2020   11:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add danko to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Another idea.

Somebody tried to forge it to use as a counterfeit, but couldn't figure out how to make it bi-color?
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Posted 11/12/2020   12:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I remain with facsimile,
possibly one of a number of facsimiles printed on a sheet with printed perforations.
The example here has been cut around the printed perforations with a pair of scissors or knife / scalpel.

"Tineye" found no similar images from 44 Billion.


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Posted 11/12/2020   12:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Long shot.

Stamp Forgeries of Plácido Ramón de Torres

Suggestion: I was trying to recall where I have seen stamps with printed perforations, similar.
It may have been early Stamp Albums.

http://torres.ephilately.de/the-ear...s-footprints

When I paged some months ago for the first time through some old American stamp catalogues, the impression I got was the same I had experienced when I first flipped through the European catalogues during my research on Spanish forger Plácido Ramón de Torres (1847–1910) some time ago. Mostly all catalogues seemed to depict the same values of the different issues. The attempt of verifying this spontaneous impression led at that time not only to the discovery that it really was correct, but also that those illustrations were all the work of the same author Torres. That the engraver of some thousands of stamp illustrations published in the European catalogues and in the philatelic reviews between 1864 and 1900 remained undiscovered until our days, is, indeed, astonishing. However, it probably finds its explanation in another surprising and related fact. After making and distributing the illustrations to his clients, Torres used his lithographic stones to produce his own copies and sold those forgeries mixed up with other genuine stamps in stamp packages. As most forged samples represented low values, if discovered, they were noted but seemed to cause little excitement.
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Edited by rod222 - 11/12/2020 12:22 am
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Posted 11/12/2020   12:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A cut out from a publication . The perforations done with a rat file .
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