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Posted 12/02/2020   8:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add John Becker to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
St Meinrad, Indiana
Bureau Precancel type 63

Note the short "RAD" on the right stamp.
Looks typical of a precancel plate repair.
Is this repair known?
I did not find it listed in the U.S. Specialist's digital index.

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Posted 12/06/2020   09:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bump.
Any precancel experts out there?
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Posted 12/06/2020   10:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
John, "Chasa" is the big man with the precancel society
By the way, I have several Transportation Coils printed by the Cottrell presses that look like that - I think it looks like ink starvation?

Peter
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Edited by Petert4522 - 12/06/2020 10:30 am
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Posted 12/06/2020   10:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes Peter, I know.
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Posted 12/06/2020   11:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is a useful catalog of Bureau precancel varieties. I do not have it as I do not save/research them. It may be listed.
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Thank you Chasa. I don't have that reference either. The best I had were the articles in the US Specialist, which documented a lot of the repairs.


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I think it looks like ink starvation?

Peter, No. Having learned many years ago of the crudeness of many of the precancel plate repairs, this one jumped out at me. Consider a different view squished down like the 1851-57 folks do. Normal at left, repaired plate on the right ...

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Posted 12/06/2020   1:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK John, now I see your point. I was looking at the ink - on my screen it was ( and still is ) difficult to see the smaller size of the letters, but on your last picture it was easy to spot. Thank you,

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Posted 01/03/2021   9:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add precanceler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Peter just a point of reference, NYC had so many repairs to their plates it made it hard to catalogue, I was trying but when I hit 100 different repairs, I had to say enough. Several NYC repairs of note tho, early 63 styles had near perfectly round periods after N & Y. The period after Y wore out 1st and became more of a square altho I have found a few that appear to have cut corners to make it appear more like a circle. Then the NY it self wore significantly and you can find NY under New York is so many positions it isn't funny. But this happens when MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of precancels are printed from 1922 into the 40's.
Overall it just comes to how much use one plate received. One of the past PSS Presidents explained to me HOW a compressed 150 or 160 style coil precancel can appear compressed or stretched, and it is 100% reliant on the speed of how fast the coil is fed into the printing machine.
Other recognized errors altho not in the PSS Buro Cat are the missing period varieties, San Francisco and St. Louis are notable for these, not sure of the frequency but I have several examples including a 1.5c prexy which is in a block of 4 and imperf and lower right stamp has no period. And I have a small assortment of SF with missing periods. Enjoy and Hope 2021 is good to all
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Note the short "RAD" on the right stamp.


Note the keen eye of the poster!
That would be so easy to miss.
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Posted 01/12/2021   5:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add coversRfun2 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well it seems everyone has missed more, as obvious as the RAD. Look earlier in the name.

Hint, it's always a habit of mine to compare letters strokes where they fall vertically in comparison to letters above or below. I of MEINRAD is already moved on stamp at right compared to stamp at left.

So in addition to any on press anomoly due to age and or wear, this could also be or is simply a setting variety.

So there, don't forget setting varieties! Definition, a variation usually purposely made to get the text fitted in right so overall the precancel overprinting falls consistently onto the stamp designs whizzing by on the press paper roll (web). These included adjustments in overall placements including the bars or lines to account for gaps between stamp strips and all the selvege areas when applicable on sheet stamps etc etc.
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