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Posted 12/19/2020   09:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add cupram to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm looking for 2 lots put up for auction for some stamps that I think are more special but I'm not sure I evaluated them correctly.
This is Mi # 151aZRb?(German Empire 1921)-Einzelmarken mit Seitenrand und Zahlnummer(ZRb)/single stamps with margin and number




Is this Mi # 96 IV W U (Allied Occupation-American and British Zone 1948) unperforated?
and Mi # 96 with double impression? (I did not find it in the Michel catalog)


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Posted 12/19/2020   10:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 1 1/4 Mark stamp is Michel 198 with Wz 2 (Network watermark).
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Posted 12/19/2020   12:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The watermark is clear Wz2. My eyes are to blame when they misread the catalog. A lot less stamps.
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Posted 12/19/2020   3:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The imperforate is 96 IV W U.

The double impression is either 96 I DD, 96 II DD, or 96 IV DD, depending on the printing variety.
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Posted 12/19/2020   4:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder if the strip of 1 1/4 Mark has a plate variety on it? The small line between the 1 and the 4 seems longer on the right stamp,


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Posted 12/19/2020   6:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all.
I found in the catalog 96DD variety but for the 1/4 line in Michel nothing is mentioned (or do I have to change my glasses?)
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Regarding the 1 ¼ Germania: On the right stamp the dividing line between the 1 and the 4 isn't any longer. Rather the entire 1 ¼ appears shifted to the right.

I assume (despite considerable ignorance here) that two-colored stamps of this sort were printed in two steps, one for each of the differently colored portions. So one often sees examples in which the face values are in slightly different positions vis-à-vis the surrounding tablet border.
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Posted 12/20/2020   1:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, the registration of the two-plate Germanias shows a lot of variance. This one is "off" more than most.

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Posted 12/21/2020   06:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks EMaxim and bookbndrbob.
I have been following this seller of German stamps for 2 months. Unfortunately there are more and more collectors who do this.
At the beginning the final prices were 4-5 Euro per lot but these 2 of which I posted the images, reached 24 Euro and I gave up bidding.
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Posted 12/21/2020   1:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

Just a note for the Mi.Nr.153 like bookbndrbob, there is a blake plate variety which show a deformation on bottom and on left frame. Found on order number H6950.20 Pl.3 position 46 and 96. Also exist on Nr.150.

Here an example from My friend member Nathan and my used copy.

So look your stamps :)

Best regards

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Posted 01/01/2021   10:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I saw at the auction (2Euro -current bid) an interesting booklet pane Mi H-Bl # 9 (West Berlin 1952).
The cut is asymmetrical (at the bottom the perforation is almost non-existent) and the stamp on the bottom left shows plate flaw (??)Mi # 42XIV (2 broken lines on the left side of the 1 leg)
I am interested if you know or have this plate flaw because in the stamp of the auction the rupture of the lines is more distant from 1 than it is shown in the Michel catalog.






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Posted 01/01/2021   11:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would say that the item in question is definitely not Mi 42 XIV. It appears that you have a good source for pics of these.

My source is Die Plattenfehler Der Berlin Bauten I fifth edition.

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Posted 01/01/2021   3:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi bookbndrbob,
My only source is Michel specialized 2019.




Book "Die Plattenfehler Der Berlin Bauten" is mentioned in Michel's catalog and I try to figure out, what the correspondence is between Michel's number and the one in the book (TM7 mentioned in the catalog I think refers to the number in the book).
What does "Abb." mean?
In Michel are represented graphically only a few of the dozens of plate flaws. In the book I think they are all, right?
Please, if you can, post the whole page where "Abb.-42-T7" appears.
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Posted 01/01/2021   3:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi cupram. Abb stands for Abbildung, or illustration.

Here's a brief explanation of the 1949 Buildings series plate flaws. The original edition/work of the reference I use is by Panos Eliades and Gerd Weissenborn in collaboration with Christa Eliades. The fifth edition, which I use, was updated by Alfred Lippschuetz.

All of the sheet positions of the small stamps (1pf-90pf) are identified. This is done by systematically going through the positions and identifying the primary marks / mark male (PM) of which there are 9 of each value. There are areas in the printing sheets where there are no identifying PMs or plate varieties. Those positions are identified also.

For each PM variety there are usually a few secondary marks (SM) or more tertiary marks (TM). So, if you have a PM stamp, you check to see whether or not it has a further identifying mark. If it does, you are lucky because they are more difficult to find, and they are priced accordingly. For a commonly used value like the 10pf stamp, there are many TMs...142 listed and illustrated. Still, it takes good luck to find one.

To be precise, if a PM/PF has a further identifying mark, it must be either a SM or a TM, it cannot be both.

Die Plattenfehler Der Berlin Bauten I illustrates every PM,SM, and TM variety. The booklet varieties are also covered.

Michel lists only the most outstanding of the PM, SM, and TM varieties as PF (plate flaws), as decided (I have been told) by the Bundespruefers (expertizers).
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As an example, here is one I found in the last few weeks. It is Mi #51, and it is PM1. The Buildings book underlines PM1, letting me know that is listed as a Michel plate flaw. Then I turn to the summary page at the end of the #51 listings, because it lists all of the secondary and tertiary plate flaws for this stamp. This time I am lucky. The stamp is #51 TM 15 with the "L" of Kleistpark split at the top. It is not listed by Michel, but a nice find, nonetheless.



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I am sorry but I do not understand.
PM is primary plattenfehler? 1 what does it indicate?
51TM15: 51 is Michel no. TM is tertiary plattenfehler? 15 what does it indicate? what is the position in the sheet or bookletsheet (field number)
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