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Interesting Catch Of 595's On Cover

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Posted 02/20/2021   09:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Sergio to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi, was going through my 1920's 2 Cents George Washington collection, and happened to look over a cover I recently purchased from ebay for approx $5 (image is from the listing). To my surprise they happen to be 595's, Thought I would share as the illustration etc to be visually impressive, However, could someone please expound upon the variety of "recut in eye" (info from stamp smarter).


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Posted 02/20/2021   09:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
#595's were issued 6/25/1923, your cover is dated before this on 5/3/1923.
Don

Edit; There is a note about a used pair with an earlier date, I cannot locate a cert for this pair; does anyone have any info on this pair?
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Posted 02/20/2021   09:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This cover seems dated 1928, not 1923. I think it extremely unlikely that they are 595's.
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Posted 02/20/2021   09:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The recut eye is discussed here under Scott #599.
https://siegelauctions.com/enc/pdf/Johl_Vol_3.pdf
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Posted 02/20/2021   09:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can you post a image of the back of the cover? How did you determine that these are a #595?
Don
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Posted 02/20/2021   09:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
595 is from coil waste of making 599 rotary coils, there will be no left/right selvage. Your stamp must be some other catalog number.
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Posted 02/20/2021   09:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
According to Johl, #595 started out as imperf sheets that then got perforated in both directions. Wouldn't that produce margin selvage?
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Posted 02/20/2021   10:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Per Johl:
This is another variety of coil waste, but unlike No. 579 it had not previously been perforated. These were therefore perforated both horizontally and vertically on flat bed machines especially set to take this type of sheet.
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Edited by revcollector - 02/20/2021 10:03 am
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Posted 02/20/2021   10:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do believe that the stamps are 634's, perf 11x10.5.
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Johl, v 3, page 253, shows layout of 170-subject rotary plate. Selvage at top /bottom to be trimmed off. and the coil web is continuous from left to right.
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Posted 02/20/2021   10:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
But the selvage on these stamps is vertical, not horizontal. And since these sheets were never stripped to produce coils, wouldn't perforating them create side margins? I agree they are not 595, but I don't see how the vertical margin proves that.
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Posted 02/20/2021   10:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These multiples certainly have margins.

http://pfsearch.org/pfsearch/pf_grd...lledfrom=lkp
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Posted 02/20/2021   10:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamphunter1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rogdcam I agree with you.
Sergio it is:
Scott 634 perf. 11x10 1/2

worth in monetary value nothing.


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Posted 02/20/2021   10:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
revcollector,
Yes, margins at the TOP. A full pane of 170 of Scott 595 could have selvage at top/bottom as shown in the link you provide, but the rotary coil web is continuous left to right and cut to produce a natural straight edge along the guideline every 17th stamp.
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Posted 02/20/2021   1:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Some of them have left margin selvage as well.
I understand that the sheets got cut when originally printed. But these sheets were sent as imperf full sheets to the flat plate perforating machines to be perforated in both directions. Unless they did not perforate the outside edges, it should have produced some kind of margin selvage, even if a very small one on at least one side.
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Posted 02/20/2021   1:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Revcollector,
I have tried to explain, but ...
Show us then.

My apologies to everyone else for this sidetrack, but sometimes trying to prove what something "is" involves proving what it isn't or can't be.
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Edited by John Becker - 02/20/2021 1:34 pm
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