Columbian Exposition Tickets Pricing & Avaialbility

I have a set of Columbian Exposition tickets, but I'm missing the Chicago Day Child's ticket which seems to the be "key" to a complete set. There are some poor-looking ones on ebay at high prices.

All the other tickets are easily available, but this one seems scarce. Also, the pricing on all of the tickets seems all over the board. I wonder if there is any reference for value on these, and I particular the one I'm missing.

Does anyone have any information or links on this?

I'm not sure where to post this question as these are ancillary items to a stamp collection.

That is rather the way a "key item" for a set is priced otherwise it would not be called the key and everyone would have one.

From 2016 see lot 52 with the Child's ticket and compare to the subsequent lots: https://stampauctionnetwork.com/v/v6903.cfm

No pricing info but here are some links for those wanting more general info on the variety of tickets themselves and what remains.

https://worldscolumbianjournal.com/...ion-tickets/

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articl...n-exposition


Here is information coming on pricing and some prices: https://worldscolumbianjournal.com/

As an aside, given shifting view on Columbus as well as the dissemination of information regarding the "White City" controversy regarding treatment of women as well as non-whites there at the fair, pricing many change as may the attitudes toward the fair and it's memorabilia. The shine is off the Columbian Half dollars of late. Perhaps the Children's ticket will drop as well.

Knowledge stops head scratching and here is a small start from 2020:

A quoted from https://worldsfairchicago1893.com/c.../collecting/ for clients:

"The Decline of Christopher Columbus

"CoinWeek has published an article describing yet another arena in which the commemoration of Christopher Columbus is in decline: coin collecting. Heinz Tschachler's "Christopher Columbus: His Decline in Numismatics and the Nation's Collective Memory" chronicles the "flagging interest" in the explorer due to both the lack of an authentic portrait of Columbus and changing social and cultural views of his place in history. Tschachler includes a description how the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition launched the Columbus half-dollar...."

The article referenced: https://coinweek.com/coins/commemor...tive-memory/


As to the attitudes presented then which are not main stream now:

https://history.denverlibrary.org/n...-worlds-fair

https://www.facinghistory.org/resou...ion-progress

https://journals.openedition.org/caliban/1726

There are several books published on the subject of the now unacceptable social attitudes woven into the fair.

A Cultural History of Gender and Race in the United States, 1880-1917 by Gail Bederman https://www.google.com/books/editio...c=frontcover

The Black and White City: The History of Racism and Race Relations at the 1893 Chicago World's Fair by Charles River Editors

Parcelpostguy - I have not noticed a decline in the popularity or value of the Columbian stamps of the United States. Perhaps that is coming.

The number of stamp issues that should be in decline is endless. Many American historical figures that are depicted on stamps are now seen as "not so shiny" including Honest Abe and many of the slave owning Founding Fathers.

History is just soooo messy.

I have wondered at times why good socially aware collectors do not boycott Scott for listing and giving values for such stamps. They even publish pictures of them. Same for auction houses and dealers that regularly trade in such stamps and profit from the depiction of historical figures that, let us face it, were not very good people by today's standards.

I say stop supporting the bad history by purchasing it and focus on what is acceptable. Perhaps create an "approved" list?

German collectors have a huge dilemma on their hands but this is the US Classics sub-forum so we will let that dog sleep.

Thank you for pointing out that I need to become more educated. I will work on it my friend!

Cheers

And who will be the "approval police" for what I can and can't collect? Utter nonsense.

Don't clutch your pearls, dears. Parcelpostguy wasn't foreshadowing the establishment of a philatelic approval police, but merely suggesting, on the basis of trends in coin-collecting, that interest in Columbian Exposition memorabilia might slacken.

One takes history out of context when we object to discussions that do not agree with our own perspective. Our perspective is only our opinion. (After 6 or 7 books on Lincoln he is an enigma. )
Incredibly messy. Stamp collecting will always be a hobby, glorification of individuals that historically have been glorified may well cease. I would think/opinion that the Columbians will always be collectible, but that Columbus might not fare so well as his actions are examined.
It's like postal history in a bigger picture. Just a thought.
Cheers

GeoffHa, you understood my posts. The OP was asking about value and mentioned the price he was seeing for the "key" item he wants is relatively high in his view.

My first two links in my first reply discussed the extent of what can be considered a complete set of tickets with far more detail and variety than most know about and what could be assembled. At that detail, unique tickets are still being reported.

Again the subject of the OP was pricing or value to which I respond that with time the price could be going lower and some reasons why.

My next post was intended to provide an informational basis of my comment when rogdcom was left wondering by the comment.

And, for John Becker, I hope we all collect things that do not need "approval" or any other type of police involvement.

As to history, my view is that known or unknown, good, bad, spun, slanted, colored ignored, embraced, hidden, buried, unrecorded, or personally observed, history cannot be changed and each one of us, no matter where we stand on this globe is who and where we are due to that very, unchangeable history. Since we all do not inhabit the same location at the same instant, each of our perspectives of history will be slightly different. Moreover, the more history we know the better we can make choices about how we wish to shape our future. We cannot change the past, nor is the future a promise; we just have the now in which to make our best choices and live our lives.

Parcelpostguy,
For clarity, my post about an "approval police" was in response to Rogdcam's statement of "I say stop supporting the bad history by purchasing it and focus on what is acceptable. Perhaps create an "approved" list?", rather than anything you had said. I was puzzled by rodgcam's subsequent "thumbs up" of the "utter nonsense" part, so I am unsure what he actually believes.

I am wondering if sarcasm crept in here?

Where I stand is leave history intact. No selective history, no erasing of history, no changing history to fit a narrative.

The OP asked about a particular ticket that they could not find. The answer was directly related to collecting until Parcelpostguy said:




My comment above was tongue in cheek and in response to being told that acquiring knowledge would stop my head scratching. Kind of a unwarranted assumption as to what I know about anything in particular.

I found it confusing, and still do, why Parcelpostguy left the fields of numismatics and philately and provided links to several sites as well as a book that have nothing to do directly with collecting stamps, coins or tickets. It feels more like social commentary and if we want to talk directly about the market for coins or stamps let us do so.

If we want to virtue signal or delve into societal ills as related to stamp subjects we can do that as well I suppose. Not my cup of tea. Lots to chew on when it comes to Native American stamp designs or how Women were depicted back "in the day". It just always gets messy.

How these topics are handled now is relevant though given that movies, cartoons, books, food packaging and people are actually being censored and often canceled completely and I worry that this trend will visit philately sooner than later. That would be a very bad thing indeed.

Cheers!

An interesting read on the Columbian tickets:

https://worldscolumbianjournal.com/...ion-tickets/

Yes it is rogdcam. That was the first link I posted. Glad you enjoyed and endorsed it.

There is certainly depth in the subject, tickets, more than expected.

The other interesting point, is that the surviving tickets are tickets not used as the "used" tickets offered at entry were run though a mutilating ticket machine.

Thanks for the posts and links. I still don't know if that Chicago Child's day ticket should cost $100, $1000, or $10,000.