Need Sweden Experts Help For Stockholms Stadsposts

I am seeking information about the Numeral Overprints I, II, III, IV.
on Stockholms Stadsposts.

These were used in conjonction with a circular dotted type of cancel.
They were steel cancellers.They came in 2 types.
What the numeral specified exactly I do not know.


av Karl-Erik Stenberg

Thank you perf 12.
Anyone know what the numeral specified?

Just a guess. The stadspost was very popular and handled thousands of letters a day.Stadspost mailboxes (in yellow) were over a hundred
in Stockholm.There were so many letters that the boxes were emptied 4-5 times a day.It could be a numeral was placed next to the cancel indicating the order in which the letters were picked up.Numeral I being early morning ,letters V late in the day.The letters did not sit around much.Letters I would have priority over letters II,letters II priority over letters III ...ect
It was a speedy service.In 1888 there were 824,492 letters that transited through Stockholms Stadspost.
Very few Stockholms Stadspost letters are preserved today.
This is just my reasoning;could be something else..

The Roman numerals were used on the remainders , this Roman numerals cancels had previously been used only on postal envelopes.

@floortrader, do you have some scans from your collection that illustrate this? I haven't heard this before.

Further information from this handbook.I translated the 3rd paragraph page 66 concerning the numeral cancel.
The stamps were canceled at the beginning and until the end of December 1887 with a
red rubber stamp with STADSPOSTEN,
underneath the date in a single line, partly in (pier re eh tee #1082; igein frame, partly without such
the heavy wear and tear on these stamps
Metal stamp based on the pattern used by the State Post, acquired with STADSPOSTEN
in the circle and below it the date and month, in
Form of day and year. Most of the stamps that were ultimately blemished were marked with the
so-called four stamps with Roman numerals
I -V stamped, which was otherwise only placed on the envelopes next to the stamps.
It still does not elaborate on what the numerals stood for.??
As for remainders ;there are many mint stamps available today without markings.
http://www.globalphilateliclibrary....16671321.pdf

Sorry my album is too expensive and valuable to be bending it backwards to lay on my scanner . The album is the THE IMPERIAL POSTAGE STAMP ALBUM ,it is volume III of the The Local Postages Stamps of the World . Printed by Stanley Gibbons,Ltd 391 Strand ,London W.C.

I will try to shoot a scan of the footnotes with a Iphone from my album .


On a side note the stamp above is a Type I from 1887 ,it doesn't come Imperf like the other two stamps of the same set . In 1888 a new stamp was issued this is the Type II . The difference between the two stamps is the "O" in ORE ,has a line thru it . The first issue has two dots above the "O" and it comes in Imperf issue . I got both types .

@perf12

I think you were almost there. Your picture of the Roman numeral steel cancellers stamps is on page 145.
https://www.postmuseum.se/bocker/19...Stenberg.pdf

On page 141, they are called turstämplar. Your German reference calles them Tourstempel. The following explains turstämplar are "round stamps." This also agrees with the addition of the o in the German text. Round, in this case was the postman's round, i.e. route for delivery.

http://www.s-f-s.se/gunnar/pdf/uppd...d_sid122.pdf

OP's usage appears to have been invalidation as Floortrader indicated and not cancellation.

Having had another look at the Stenberg text (pp. 139, 141)



Google Translate translates this as

Stockholms Stadspost first uses rubber stamps both with and out of frame for shredding the marks. However, these weak stamps are proposed quickly and already after three weeks, more durable stamps made of metal must be used, first round stamps in two types with the word Stadsposten and date, month and year. Later, stamp stamps were used, Roman numerals I, II, I II, IV and V, and also these in two types. The turn stamps were then used to shred the marks themselves, while the round stamp was usually placed on the side.

The translation of "makulering" as shredding (destroying = invalidating) appears to be wrong. It can also mean cancellation. Then the Swedish text states the Roman numeral "round stamp" was applied to the stamp itself to cancel it. In the light of floortrader's text: these numerals indicating the postman's bag (round) in which the item should be placed was first applied to the entire and the stamp cancelled with a date stamp. Later, the Roman numeral itself was used to cancel the stamp.

lot2220 https://www.philea.se/sv/product/56030
Sweden. Postage due Facit L13d brev, 5 öre olivish brown, perf 13 as postage due on local cover franked with Stockholms stadspost 4 öre (F4) and posted in the mail box of the Royal Mail. Postage due notation "5 öre" and cancelled STOCKHOLM 6.TUR 5.3.1888. Scarce and sought-after.

Most experience U.S. collectors are very cautious about cancellations that don't tie the above stamp to the cover .