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Verifying: NYC Cancel On Nebraska Overprint? (Scott Number 675)

 
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Posted 04/10/2021   10:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add cbustapeck to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Good day,

I find precancels with cancellations other than the city in question to be rather amusing, and Kansas and Nebraska overprints, even moreso.

I came across the following stamp for sale online, and I am hoping for a second opinion.



To my eyes, it looks like a New York City cancellation - perhaps Grand Central Annex, or maybe Church Street Annex, among others - but there is so much that I don't know. Further, I am an eternal optimist, and have a bad habit of seeing what I want to see.

My question is this: Is there anything other than than a New York City cancel that it might reasonably be, and if so, what?

Thank you in advance.
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Posted 04/10/2021   11:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The "N.Y." limits it to New York state and as you mention the "annex" is part of the name.

Now if you go here: https://www.postalhistory.com/posto...asp?state=NY and search for the word "annex" you will see the 12 post offices with the word "annex" as part of the name. You will also see the county and date or dates of operation. Dealer Jim Forte put that together and shares it for free.
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 04/10/2021 11:46 am
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Posted 04/10/2021   12:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The initial "H..." in the killer and the "Annex" in the CDS make this "Hudson Terminal Annex".

Add: of course, the whole killer abbreviation is "HT", similarly,
GC = Grand Central
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Edited by John Becker - 04/10/2021 12:35 pm
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Posted 04/10/2021   12:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cbustapeck to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Parcelpostguy -

I assumed as much, but there is so much that I don't know, and I hate to completely jump to conclusions.

John -

Aha! That clears things up completely.

Thank you both!

- Christopher
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Posted 04/10/2021   3:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The overprint does not appear genuine to me, the "N" in particular. It also looks like it is on top of the cancel (though this would need to be verified on the actual stamp).
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Posted 04/12/2021   05:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobbyT to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting - I looked only at the cancelation until the overprint itself was challenged. The N does look like it is on top of the cancelation!
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Posted 04/12/2021   07:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A black cancel with a black overprint frequently produces an optical illusion about which is on top. The reality is that it's impossible to tell from a scan, or even from just looking without using a high powered method of viewing. A 20x or more. What would be the point of faking the overprint on a used damaged stamp? They were valid for postage anywhere.
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Posted 04/13/2021   06:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BobbyT to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My question exactly - just had never seen this "optical illusion"
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Posted 04/13/2021   06:52 am  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with revcollector's opinion, it is virtual impossible to determine if a same-color overprint is under/over a cancel. It is easy to find many examples where the cancel appears on top of the overprint in one area of the stamp and under the overprint in another area. Bitmap images are made up of pixels, and to represent a color (even like black) there are thousand and thousands of different colored pixels. I think this is the reason that our eyes cannot tell the Z axis of a X,Y axis bitmap image.
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Posted 09/09/2021   09:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just noticed some very rarely seen full sheets are being sold with the Kansas and Nebraska overprints at malack.com
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