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Ebay Stamps Sellers Are Not What They Use To Be Or Am I Mistaken?

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Posted 04/17/2021   3:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Cumer Canitez to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I remember the days from 2009, I had purchased lots of valuable stamps in a pile, some of the stamps' books had been loaded with so many valued stamps, but I now noticed these sort sales, there are almost None available, especially US 18th and early 19th century stamps, They are now being sold individually,

I don't know if it is against this platform's rules to mention eBay's seller but I think everyone who follows stamps sales on eBay will recognize a particular seller who is called NYS******,
I have purchased from this seller in the past and there used to be bulk sales with valued stamps, these days similar stamps are being sold individually by the same seller, and this seller doesn't offer the same way where I used to purchase from them,

I am just wondering if it is just me?...

or things have really changed significantly since then
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Posted 04/17/2021   4:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
18th century stamps?
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Posted 04/17/2021   4:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, things have changed from 2009.

A more dramatic change occurred between 1998, when I first started buying on eBay, and 2005, when I began curtailing buying on eBay. eBay was a great place to buy in those early days, but the most reliable and reasonably priced European sellers from whom I bought, stopped selling to the U.S. Several of these sellers retired, but several others stopped selling to the U.S. because of so many "lost in the mail" lots.
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Posted 04/17/2021   4:17 pm  Show Profile Check 51studebaker's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In my opinion NYStamps has a very poor reputation and state right in their Terms and Conditions that some stamps "may be expertly repaired". If you have previously purchased from them single, higher value stamps from them and NOT gotten them certified then you will likely be disappointed if you do or when you go to dispose of your collection(s).

You can search this forum and many threads about this seller. There are some good sellers on eBay including many who are also members here. Learning how to find quality sellers is as hard as learning how to spot quality stamps. eBay feedback is meaningless, some of the worse sellers have great feedback score ( eBay changes the feedbacks for them, you can go buy existing eBay accounts, you can pump up your own feedback score at will, etc.)

Finding good value on eBay is not 'sorting by lowest price first', it is about spending time and money finding good sellers and supporting them. And NYStamps is about as far from a good seller as you can get. Try kenr2, fairdinkumstamps, revenue-collector, deyes2, paperhistory, or many of the other SCF members, most are quality eBay sellers.
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Posted 04/17/2021   4:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cumer Canitez to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
NSK Sorry I meant 1870 1880 1890 etc.
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Posted 04/17/2021   4:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes every wants a deal when they buy but not when they sell. What you have observed is the sellers have been learning how to increase their return on their material via different marketing which means the buyer gets less of a steal deal on the material.

Feel free to move some of you extra material in bulk, low, low percentage of catalog prices. There will be a few buyers you will make happy. You'll be happy too, right?

Now if I found some find some inverts when buy stamps over the post office counter, should I sell them for face plus eBay costs to be fair to all the buyer who may want them? I got the joy of finding the inverts, should the buyers get the joy of getting them cheap from me?
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Posted 04/17/2021   5:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add oldboldandbrash to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It's not just eBay. Even estate sales. When they see stamps they go crazy. I tried to buy a garbage bag full of just the junkiest garbage stamps hoping for something interesting. Last day of the estate sale, closing in an hour, probably going to the garbage or free afterwards. And he wanted 25$... I could buy 1000 beautiful used US stamps for 12.99 on eBay. I've of course seen stamps way overpriced on eBay but I of course ignore them. Offerup is another place to look and you often see people sell one 3c Washington for 10$ because they found it in their mothers sock drawer. Nobody knows anything anymore unfortunately. And about Nystamps, we certainly do keep buying from them, so they certainly do keep selling the same way.
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Posted 04/17/2021   6:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Times have changed . There was a time when you could buy 4 or 5 boxes of stamps at auction for $350.00 and have fun all winter selling them . Now those same boxes cost $1900.00 and you need to price them carefully to make a profit .
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Posted 04/17/2021   8:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hoosierboy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Casual sellers who do not know the value of their material are fewer and farther inbetween today than in years past. Internet auction sites provide all who look a reasonabley acccurate snapshot of the selling price of most material.
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Posted 06/15/2021   2:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hoosierboy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
We have a much more value driven marketplace today than rvrn ten years ago. Buyers look for more value for le$$ and sellers look for more from any material $old. True collectors just look for desired material in their area of interest within their economic limits.
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Posted 06/15/2021   2:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gwanghoops to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
IMHO, the sellers aren't as careful anymore and puts lots of inventory out there resulting in 8-10 returns this year for me (never before). Lots of (easy) misidentification, FV is way off, shady or poor descriptions, forgetting items, and shipping practices from the Pony Express. The good thing is most sellers do make up for it.
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Posted 06/20/2021   11:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
GWANGHOOPS ----We have people now buying stamps at stamp auctions just to sell at a profit on eBay ,these are not the the collectors of 20 years ago who were basicly collectors who were selling off unwanted material and duplicates .I also see a lot of sellers selling for close to full catalog and they are ok with stuff sitting 6 months or longer to get their price . Back in the early 2000's everything was priced to sell material the same week as listed .

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Posted 06/20/2021   1:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hoosierboy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can name you several covers on eBay that have been there over two years. Free automatic renewal?
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Posted 06/20/2021   2:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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We have people now buying stamps at stamp auctions just to sell at a profit on eBay ,these are not the the collectors of 20 years ago who were basicly collectors who were selling off unwanted material and duplicates .


This is not limited to stamps. There are major just on-line ( eBay especially) cover dealers buy huge remainder auction lots of covers or other specialized cover lots for sale a individual covers. This has resulted in the rise in bulk lot prices at auction, a rise to such a point that at least one traditional postal history only seller has switched to stamps. This is after decades of selling covers. Now bulk stamp lots can be had for 5-10% of catalog and be sold individually on line at 20-25%, profit made and happy buyer are snapping up the goodies they want at a price they enjoy.

For these volume dealers eBay has listing breaks which yes, include automatic renewals and these list breaks are quite cost effective for the dealers.



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I can name you several covers on eBay that have been there over two years.


Your point?

Retail shop and other retail dealers have stock, including covers, they too have in inventory for months and years. Only Auction firms churn stuff and even some of those try to pedal their owned, unsold lots at retail.

Now if the 1 cent magenta was listed at $12 million rather than sold earlier this month at auction, how long would that have cycled? Two years, twenty minutes or how long. One dealer had the stamp in inventory for two decades before it sold.

The Weill Brothers of New Orleans held some stock for, not years, but decades. Sometimes they did not sell at all; they gave it away, which is how the Smithsonian owns its C3a.
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Posted 06/20/2021   4:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamps101 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I personally like the auto-relist especially when combined with the Best Offer feature. I may not be looking for a specific item now but I might be in several months or maybe even a year. eBay is like a giant stamp store and I can almost always find what I'm after eventually so if it sat in someone's inventory for two years and I pop online today looking for it, perfect! If it's sitting there because the price is high, I can hopefully make an offer and come to a deal. If not, I guess I decide if I want it bad enough or continue waiting. Whereas without auto relist, that seller may have had it up for a few weeks then pulled it down and my option to buy wouldn't have existed.

As a seller, it has the same convenience. I can list things and forget about them, just like a store display, similar to what ParcelPost said. After awhile, I can decide to lower the price, accept an offer, or just leave it be and hope for a future sale one day rather then taking the effort to post for a few weeks but then have to pull the auction down.

The hobby and market place have changed but I must say that anything that helps keep people interested, keeps them buying and selling, and promotes activity and the changing of hands of amazing collectibles and ultimately allows this hobby to continue is needed. There was a period of time at the turn of around 2000 where I had trouble buying anything. There were no stamp stores left here and I was not fluent in online markets yet (nor were most people). The hobby seemed to be dying off and I actually quit the hobby for awhile. eBay and other online venues and the entire online community, including boards like this, significantly renewed my interest (to the point I went from merely collecting and questionably into the realm of hoarding lol - I debate my partner and I often re-examine).

eBay has its quirks but overall I love what it offers and how it is setup on the whole. I was frustrated a year or so ago reading a very enlightening post Don made about the possible shifting mentality of eBay toward a more Amazon approach and his logic made sense and I could see that shift. It was disheartening. I hope they never go that way. eBay has always been about a "second hand" market (or at least new and specific items that are tough to find), whether collectibles, odds and ends, car parts, or whatever else. It fills an immense niche and I believe helped rejuvenate collecting, especially for folks like me who live in smaller 'burbs where the hobby had all but died.

Anyway, I sort of went on a tangent there. Oops.
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Posted 06/20/2021   6:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamps101 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I can't seem to find the post I was referencing above. I *think* it was Don, but I could be mistaken. I apologize if I have that wrong!
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