Russia Scott #4517 Vs #4596

Good morning,
I am seeking some clarification.
This my have been covered but I failed to find it (so I appreciate your time)
my 09 Scott lists

#4517
Image A2138
1976 engraved perf 12x12.5

The #4596
1977-78 litho perf 12x12.5
Designs others before
Nos. 4596-4602, 4604-4607 where printed on dull and shiny paper.



So I'm lead to believe that the only difference is in the method of print? Or is there more to go on?
(Again this is from a old 09 Scott, this could be easily updated by now)

Looking at a couple of these stamps (not 100% on what issue they are, but it seems clear to me) they appear similar but not the same?
I may have missed a reissue or I'm missing something all together

Thanks for any help clearing this up

I think you're overthinking things? I don't collect the area, but as you know it's generally not uncommon to see countries reissue designs with different colors, paper types, or methods of printing.

I agree but does it alter the design in any way?
I usually see small changes in the image represented by a new image

Agreed I could be over think, Just trying to sort my differences
I think top row is #4517 (last one on right cancellation 76 or 78)
Bottom row I think is #4596 (last one on right cancellation 79)
I see two differences (I can't explain with the Scott I have)

Your stamps are all litho printing from what I can see.

Here is an example of engraved one

https://www.hipstamp.com/listing/ru...sed/15519987

Diamond shapes in the printing top row engraved?





The differences I'm looking at

Something like that. On engraved stamps the background is cross hatched. On litho it is solid like this one.

https://www.hipstamp.com/listing/ru...025/33938881

Yup looks right
So top row engraved
Bottom row litho

Similar yet different in the design?

If I'm not mistaken the top right engraved is shiny?

I do not think these are uncommon or rare in anyway!!! Just to be clear

I just wanted to clear up my own confusion about the listings in my 09 Scott

A newer Scott or another catalogue my have all this, I just didn't

Thanks for the help!!

The 1976 is Typo on Coated Paper .The 1977 is offset on plain paper.

Thanks perf12
Not questioning your information! Your a great help lot to learn from you!
reading about different methods of printing I have one last question pertaining to this (at the moment :)
-does typography raise off the paper like recess or intaglio?
(I ask cause I read that the easiest way to tell engraved is by the rise in the ink)
That's another thing I looked for to try to confirm the #4517
I could be wrong I'm not too good at this, I do try :)

Raised ink?

You shold be able to see the difference between the top row & bottom row stamps you showed above, What about a backside pic of the 2 different stamps.
That is a a discrepency on your part.
right_ raised ink_ nice pic

I flipped them over all in the same positions




Far right top row




Far right bottom right

Yes that is good.We can see the bite of the metal matrice in the paper (top row).

I see very little if any raised ink on this one (compared to the other two)- top left

close up pic needed

I could be wrong...I think I caught some ink lift in this picture (left side )