Scott US 267 Or 279Bf, Changeling?

Hello All

I think this one may be a 279B, but it could be 267. Anyway, at first site it looks Carmine, but I noticed the areas around the 2's are different colors. Is this a changeling? Other than the weird colors, it looks like either 279Bf or 267. Any thoughts?

Thanks.

Type IV 279B(?)

Both 267 and 279B have the "Triangle C" variety, which your stamp has.

267 is Type III, 279B is Type IV, which can be differentiated by die differences.

Only then would I be looking much at color, and knowing there have been hundreds of threads here about colors, hues, shades, tints (pick your choice of word) and how scanners and monitors vary, I know it is a useless avenue for such subtle differences.

Personally, if I were to collect shades, I would obtain mint examples or on-cover examples bearing a cancel date. Soaked used stamps have extra variables to consider.

I would add to John's comment above that you would need to assemble a large number of mint examples, standardize on my ambient light (since colors are light wave lengths bouncing off the surface of a stamp different light source result in different colors), and then spend significant time studying the mint examples and developing a good 'color eye'.

There are also a number of good color theory books/websites widely available for free.
Don

So it is Die 79. Type III, 267 at first site Carmine. I think the toga button is a dead give away now but sometimes I notice features of both Dies in 267. Like a heavily shaded ear and a straight line t but missing the u penetrating the oval almost all features of Die 83 except one or two so it really does seem to split over the toga button between Die 83 and Die 79. So just bad color on a used stamp then?

When I was shown to find color. I was told the color of a stamp is the darkest color on a stamp but the color extractor on stamp smarter gives me all sorts of colors. It's like any rose carmine by the same rule would be pink and really bright rather than carmine colored.

It's a 279B. Forget the "color" for now.

imodius

I don't know if this can help but here is an image of a mint 267 with the exception of centering issue:




Tasco produced a nice booklet for this series.

For high quality images of everything under the sun:

https://siegelauctions.com/lot_lkp.php

267

279B

Siegal images are very good for details but I think that they are doing some funky things with the way they save and/or apply color filters (especially over time). I have little confidence in their image colors.

For example

Don

Agreed. I pay little attention to the scan colors. I posted the stamps for the clear design details.

Thanks Don for the images those totally help with identifying the toga button, so 279B is the one. Now I wanted to help you guys with something. I can't post an exel spreadsheet so I tried to condense the information into an image for you.

I went to PF and searched their certs for 279Bc. Using stamp smarter, I made a map of them so identification can be easier, of that one anyway. It actually works quite well if you can find the color c04860. My example doesn't have that one, it has proportional mixes of dull rose with and something else, it's like maroon instead of a bright rose unlike the certifiers.

I did actually find one that I have so far with that color though, c04860. I think it is bright rose carmine. It is like a cross between bright rose and rose carmine. It dominates most of them in the image.


If someone gives you a good scan then you can compare it to the certifiers if you like to help them identify that color, or even use it for your own reference.


Cheers

Check this out. A lot of the stamps that didn't have orange on them with the black light that I searched through almost all have had this color on them so far, c04848. Is this red? Some of those were 267 though so red doesn't make entire sense to me.

rogd,

I have been living that frustration lately but using, the SG color key, a blacklight and 2 comparison stamps along with the chart that I made, as well as bouncing these ideas off of you guys and I found a light of hope in one stamp in thousands, finally. This one has the magic color c04860 in excess. It fools no one to say this stamp is Rose Carmine. Check it out.

I hear what you are saying Imodious but why go down the color rabbit hole when there are definitive design types. It is a lot like people continually trying to distinguish rare rotary issues by attempting to measure the minuscule design size Delta.